Talk:Boroqul

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 01:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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Ögedei Khan

• ... that the Mongol general Boroqul saved the life of the future Ögedei Khan (pictured) by continually sucking clotted blood from a wound on his neck? Source: McLynn, Frank (2015). Genghis Khan: His Conquests, His Empire, His Legacy. p. 75.; primary source: The Secret History of the Mongols (Shorter Version; edited by John C. Street). Translated by de Rachewiltz, Igor. 2015. § 173.
  • ALT1: ... that the Mongol general Boroqul was named one of the four "steeds" of Genghis Khan, alongside Bo'orchu, Muqali, and Chilaun? Source: Atwood, Christopher P. (2004). Encyclopedia of Mongolia and the Mongol Empire. p. 44.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lemnis Gate

5x expanded by AirshipJungleman29 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Boroqul; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @AirshipJungleman29: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: PizzaKing13 (talk · contribs) 20:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this article. 20:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

• List his birth year of c. 1162 in the infobox

• Done

Lead

• Is there a translation of Boroqul's name in the traditional Mongolian script? Russian Wikipedia says ᠪᠥᠷᠥᠬᠦᠯ while Chinese and Korean Wikipedia say ᠪᠦᠷᠭᠦᠳ Does any source verify?

• Not that I can find, sadly.

• Remove the comma after "inner council"

• Done

Life and career

• Remove the comma after "Börte"
• "The Secret History of the Mongols" → "[[The Secret History of the Mongols]]"
• Mention what The Secret History of the Mongols is
• Remove the comma after "Jurkin tribe"
• Who was Jebe?
• Italicize Jami' al-tawarikh
• 1217-18 → 1217–18 (endash)

• All done.

References

• All sources look good

Overall

• Single image is good. I assume no free images (if at all) of Boroqul exist

• That is sadly correct.

• Move the image to the right side so that Ögedei "faces the text" if you get what I mean

• Done.

• Stable
• No war edits
• Focused on topic

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

@AirshipJungleman29: I've left some comments for the review. PizzaKing13 ^¡Hablame! 22:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• PizzaKing13 I've responded to all your comments. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
  • @AirshipJungleman29: All looks good to me. I'll pass this review. PizzaKing13 ^¡Hablame! 09:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Jack Weatherford

Ortaq, please stop adding information sourced to books by Jack Weatherford. This review by the well known specialist Timothy May explicitly notes that "it is very clear that Weatherford is not a historian", that he "[wrestles] with material he does not fully appreciate", and that his books are "filled with inaccuracies and rife with unsubstantiated historical speculation". There are many top-tier works on the Mongols written in recent years; let's not use material sourced to the worst of them? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

What about Secret History of the Mongols and other academic articles mentioned about Altani? you know nothing about the Mongols Ortaq (talk) 11:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Ortaq, what the Secret History has to say is already summarised in the article: "Boroqul was honoured greatly at the kurultai Temüjin called in May 1206". This article is not about Altani, but her husband Boroqul. If you can find a reliable secondary source (aka not Weatherford) that discusses Altani's saving of Tolui as related to Boroqul, we can add that to the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

You are now misrepresenting sources in your recent edits. De Nicolas can be found here: any reader can see that p.99 says nothing about Altani or Boroqul being praised in 1206. Atwood 2007 can be found here: it does not verify the quote.

In case you are unaware, citations on Wikipedia should verify the content—they are not just there for decoration. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Psy, SHM does not use page number professional historians refer to section no. Bruno says he was the wife of Boroqul thats why I added Ortaq (talk) 22:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Chinggis Khan praised both Altani and Boroghul during the quriltai during his distribution of decimal unites to relatives and meritorious servants. This is 1206. Ortaq (talk) 22:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Not entirely sure what "Psy" means, and I did not refer to the SHM above did I? You do not add sources just because they are vaguely relevant, you add them because they verify the content! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)