Talk:Box Car Racer (album)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: DannyMusicEditor (talk · contribs) 13:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Being somewhat familiar with the group, I think I can take this one. I'll try to do a little today, but after that I won't get any till the end of the week. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 13:11, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• No dabs.
• Refs all working. I stand corrected, the Popmatters review is dead and fails to hit on Checklinks. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   I mean, I guess. I see how it would be hard to find an abundance of reviews for this album, but the ones you've given are all positive. Works for GA, I suppose.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Now, just because you see red marks doesn't mean it's not close to fixable. This should be easy to finish up.

Infobox and Lead

• Which genres have the most citations to them? I notice you have three refs to cover all six later on, but can you order them by most common consensus among the three, if any? If not, just do what makes the most sense. At least change hardcore punk's position, in its current state it wraps poorly.
• I'd prefer if you delinked Anthony Celestino, it redirects to the band's page.
• I don't think "by all accounts" is necessary.
• Box Car Racer peaked at number twelve on the Billboard 200 with little promotion. No... Box Car Racer peaked at number twelve on the Billboard 200 despite little promotion.

Background

• A European tour for Blink-182 in winter 2001 was delayed in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks... Blink-182's European tour in the winter of 2001 was...
• Is it more proper to say "a herniated disc"?
• Can you do better than "turned him on to post-hardcore music"?
• ...became "All Systems Go". ...became part of "All Systems Go". (if you feel this is appropriate)
• "wasn't" to "was not". I think it's probably best to use contractions only within a quote.
• Can you clarify what the connection between Revelation and WW2 is for me? I see only one side explained.

Recording and production

• When the musicians entered the studio, little would be changed... Not "would be", "was"
• Barker completed recorded what??
• Consider linking next Blink-182 album to Blink-182 (album).
• Wow, this was a good section.

Composition and artwork

• Neither reference 10 nor 22 mention Jawbox or Quicksand.
• Replace "wildly" with "drastically"
• I would like it if you ordered the genres by how many people cite them, and then after that however you please. If that's the case already, I was just making sure.
• Just because DeLonge says he's "quite religious" does not make religion a theme on the album.
• Was going to say this was unformatted, but that no longer matters. Reference 26 blatantly admits they used Wikipedia as a reference for itself. Therefore, I do not believe it is RS, even though it's from the San Diego Reader. The last sentence could be referenced with the liner notes, but the rest remains unsourced anyway. How do we know DeLonge was influenced by Gorilla Biscuits? How do we know "Elevator" had anything to do with 9/11?
• Travis' quote should say it's "... It's so much more open and roomy." rather than having a period and then starting something previously said.

Reception, part 1

• No source for the date the album was released?
• The prose here for the chart positions is cut-and-dry. Can you do better than simply a list of those chart positions? Make it a bit more wordy if you can, but not to the point that people don't get it. In fact, if it didn't break the top 20, it's probably not important enough to include in the prose. Did that for a GA of mine, but I don't remember which. So cutting those solves your problem.
• On that note, the number for Ireland in the prose is different than the chart section.
• DeLonge co-directed the music video for the song, which is mainly performance-based, with Nathan "Karma" Cox. Try "The music video for the song, which is mainly performance-based, was co-directed by DeLonge and Nathan "Karma" Cox." Flows much better.

Reception, part 2

• largely positive mostly favorable
• "glowing"? Not sure that's appropriate on a Wikipedia page.
• He is clear enough to refer to folk rock, please change the link accordingly
• Why don't you include more reviews from the prose in the box? Q, Arizona Daily, Argus Leader are all reliable. There is plenty of room for them.
• I think "Barker was more critical:" would be better than "harsh".

Touring

• The shorter the section, the better it is, so that's good. Same with the next one.
• as was his wont in Blink-182 what??

Legacy

• Is it really a "legacy" if this is it? There's a single source in here. Suggest naming it "Post-Box Car Racer". With or without italics here, do you think? The band ended right afterwards so it'd be a rather unique case.
• Pop culture appearances are unsourced

Track listing

• "Cat Like Thief" and "Elevator" have guest musicians, please add them so that it says "Elevator" (featuring Mark Hoppus) and etc. for the other.

Personnel

• Finn and Costey both need links. Fasano might, if this is the guy. A glam metal-affiliated drummer is not what I would've expected, but hey, whatever worked.

Charts

• Clarify the Irish chart issue and we're good.

updated

did not see you updated this. changed to everything you suggested and rephrased the WWII/Revelation quote to more closely match the source (which I cited back in like 2010 [seriously] and hadn't read since then). Saginaw-hitchhiker (talk) 05:45, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

There we are, Saginaw! Have fun! dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:54, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

excellent, thanks DannyMusicEditor. sorry if this was a messy page -- a lot of this stuff was things i'd written way back in 2010, with some revisions recently. some of the stuff, like the pop culture references, have been around on this page forever. happy to get this up to speed though, so thanks. i've updated:

• popmatters link is now an archive url
• like you said, if there were a negative review, i'd add it. i'm a blink-182 fan, so of course i'm (sort-of) fond of this album, but i wouldn't mind finding one to add. i did with what i could find.
• deleted quicksand and jawbox

Actually, there's proof for Quicksand's influence in ref no. 3. Put that in, and I'll pass it. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 11:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

• deleted the 9/11/gorilla biscuits/san diego reader section. didn't know that it cited wikipedia, must've been from a way older edit.
• haha that ireland chart position was waaaaay off -- i confused the week parameter (22) in the singlechart template with position!
• left out the arizona daily out of the infobox, as it's a quote from delonge, not a review
• settled on "aftermath" for the legacy -- i agree, not much of one to report on lol!
• as for the track listing, i've often only applied "featuring" to literal "features" (i.e., how rappers are credited in rap songs -- it can be kanye WITH frank ocean, which is different than FEATURING frank ocean). on the CD, the guest musicians aren't credited alongside the songs as features, so i've left it as is.

I would think differently but will accept this decision. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 11:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

if there's anything more i need to do, let me know. Saginaw-hitchhiker (talk) 07:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. If you'd like to look at my FAC which desperately needs reviewers, see here. Add that Quicksand bit that will now be properly attributed (or at least respond about it) and I will pass this. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 11:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

done and done, thanks danny! Saginaw-hitchhiker (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)