Talk:Boxing Day/Archives/2015

Earlier comments

Boxing Day is the first weekday after Christmas Day. This is substantiated in numerous documents, and in perfectly clear language in both the Oxford English Dictionary and also the Merriam Webster Dictionary (the most recent versions of each, and naturally in preceeding versions.) So, referring to several of the comments below, then Boxing Day is not on a fixed date. Decades of tradition and historical data cannot simply be ignored because popular opinion feels like a change.

I don't know who wrote the foregoing but their view has always been my understanding. However, while the Oxford English Dictionary does define Boxing Day as the first weekday after Christmas and gives an authority date of 1849, by 1865 Halliwell (A Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words 5th Edition - and possibly earlier; I haven't seen the previous editions) was defining Boxing Day as "The day after Christmas". It seems even in the mid 19th century there was lack of clarity on whether Boxing Day was the first weekday or always the 26th. Perhaps this long-standing confusion needs to be clearer in the main article. I note when I was growing up in the UK in the 1950s and 1960s it was generally accepted that Boxing Day could never fall on a Saturday or Sunday. If Christmas (25th) fell on a Saturday then the Sunday was called 'Christmas Sunday' and Monday 27th was Boxing Day. If Christmas fell on a Friday the two following days were 'Christmas Saturday' and 'Christmas Sunday' and Boxing Day was Monday 28th. I am not talking here about holidays or Monday being a substitute day for Boxing Day; the Monday (27th or 28th) was Boxing Day itself. That definition seems to have been lost in the course of the last 50 years. Nowadays in Britain we appear to have gravitated to fixing Boxing Day as the 26th regardless of the day of the week (despite numerous dictionary definitions to the contrary).JordiYiman (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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"In Ireland the 26th is known as St Stephen's Day". This is misleading: As stated correctly in the article Saint Stephen, his feast is on the 26th in the West in general, even in some Lutheran churches.
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Certainly St Stephen's day is a fixed date of December 26th. I thought Boxing Day was always the 26th. The origins of the name have a number of Urban legend associated but the tradition of giving to servants is an accepted fact. Because in older days there were no holidays particularly for servants I suggest that Boxing Day is actually a fixed date. Rjstott

Boxing Day itself is on a fixed day, but -- if the 26th is on a weekend -- the public holiday for it occurs on the first working day following the 26th. A bit of a fine distinction, but that's how it works here in Canada, anyway. -- Paul Drye

You are right for the UK also, most people celebrate Boxing Day on December 26 if it falls on a Sunday. Some Christians don't due to the clash with their Sabbath. However, Boxing Day is a secular celebration (as is evidenced by the people who celebrate it), not a Christian one, so I think the general wisdom should win out in terms of dating, I have made a note on the beliefs of Christians in the article.Rje 15:03, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unless, of course, Christmas and Boxing Day both fall on weekend days - in which case the Boxing Day Holiday is the 2nd day after the weekend (Christmas Day Holiday being the first). Eg. This year's Christmas:

• Sat Dec 25 (weekend day)
• Sun Dec 26 (weekend day)
• Mon Dec 27 (holiday)
• Tue Dec 28 (holiday)
• Wed Dec 29
• Thu Dec 30
• Fri Dec 31
• Sat Jan 1 (weekend day)
• Sun Jan 2 (weekend day)
• Mon Jan 5 (holiday)

-- Chuq 21:18, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's how it is in the UK too. I'll edit the article. -- Derek Ross

I heard it was because, in Victorian times, one spent Christmas with one's family, then went out on Boxing Day to visit one's friends and give them presents. I suppose this explanation somewhat fits with the giving servant's presents one. -- SJK

Ah, User:Jess Cully had it right. In my Commonwealth country (Bermuda), Boxing Day itself is always on the 26th - the day off work associated with it may move to the day following (just as if November 11th - or any other holiday on a fixed calendar day - is on a Sunday, people get the following Monday off), but Boxing Day stays on the day after Christmas. The same seems to be true in the rest (Canada above, and the UK, from Cully's comments). Noel (talk) 12:14, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In English common-law Boxing Day always occurs on a weekday - either the 26th or the 27th - c.f. Bank Holidays Act 1871. This is why when Christmas Day falls on a Saturday the Monday is legally 'Boxing Day' and the Tuesday is legally 'Substitute Bank Holiday in lieu of Christmas Day'. All reference sources I can find [1 http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Boxing+Day] [2 http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=boxing+day] state that Boxing Day is the first weekday after Christmas 'not that it is the 26th December. Also see Oxford Dictionary, and for the international angle how about 'Banks And Bank Holidays (Amendment) Bill' of New South Wales? Also 'Holidays Act 1983' of Commonwealth of Australia. As in the UK, if Boxing Day falls on a Saturday, a proclamation is used to make the following Monday a public holiday, but this is not necessary if the 26th is a Sunday as the Monday is actually Boxing Day itself. Calling 26th December 'Boxing Day' when it falls on a Sunday (as per BBC usage in recent times) has been deprecated as being improper and inaccurate.

Would it be fair to include both points of view? To explain that to most commonwealth citizens Boxing Day is the 26th December and would only be understood as such, but legally it is actually the second bank holiday associated with Christmas and as such it is legally defined as the first workday after Christmas day. 81.178.92.95 (talk) 19:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Boxing Day and shopping are two ideas closely connected and even though some people may think that spending money is nowadays a sin we should all remember two quotes money makes the world go round the show must go on — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseggite (talk • contribs) 23:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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The first sentence of this page states as a fact what is later discussed as one of several possibilities in the Etymology section... thus giving wrong impression to people skimming the page.

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It is misleading to say that Boxing Day is a Bank Holiday in the UK. The legislation that I have seen does not use the term "Boxing Day" - it only refers to days as December 2xth. I don't know whether you will ever settle the argument about whether boxing day can fall on a Sunday, but let's not cloud the issue by claiming that Boxing Day is a legal term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.89.77 (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Dubious

The small paragraph about the United States under Date should probably either be removed or rewritten. The US doesn't recognize Boxing Day in any way and the citation links are either out dated or show that employees aren't getting an extra day off for Boxing Day. The only people that have even heard of it in the US are British. Trevorep (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Agree. Two references actually support a day off for state employees on December 26. One is clear that it is in relation to Christmas itself. There is no indication that it is a celebration of Boxing Day. It appears to be similar to allowing the day after U.S. Thanksgiving as a day off. No one would suggest that this is a celebration of Black Friday even though the dates coincide. 208.81.212.222 (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The lead

The second paragraph in the lead deals with holidays that also fall on the 26th and aren't boxing day or even related to boxing day other than the coincidence of dates. I suggest striking that paragraph entirely as this article is only about boxing day and whatever else happens to fall on that day (which isn't always on the 26th anyway) isn't really relevant. I wouldn't object to listing links in a section at the end of the article with the heading of "Other holidays on or near Boxing Day", but I don't think it's really necessary as readers can simply go to the articles for the related dates e.g December 25,, December 26, etc. Rklawton (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)