Talk:Boychick (novel)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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• Boychick (novel)
• The White Paper (novel)
• Street of Stairs

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• ... that James T. Sears called the novels The White Paper (1928), Street of Stairs (1968), and Boychick (1971), three "pederastic erotic classics"?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liberated Barracks, Template:Did you know nominations/Mechanitis, Template:Did you know nominations/RateMyCop.com
  • Comment: A horrific subject - and I am wondering if leaving it at ALT0 is enough to display that horror, or if we know our readers will find it horrific. The sources - products of their time - largely do not call out the novels' victimization of young boys. (NB: I only learned of these novels after buying a too-expensive copy of Boychick, not knowing it was a pederast at all - and disappointed that I didn't know, so I created the article.)

Created by Urve (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Urve (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 23:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Holding now (I want to do one more spotcheck but I don't have time rn to chase down the archived version of the reference). Just some copy changes for this short-side article (which makes sense given the lack of critical attention). Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Thank you :) I'll probably have more time to do more reviews this summer but perhaps sooner. Done below ... Urve (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Copy changes

• The book is pederastic, and centers on 28 year-old Leo Tsalis falling in love with Leroy, a 16 year-old boy he calls Boychick, after a brief sexual encounter.
  • There's one subject, the book. The first comma is not needed. WP:CINS
  • Double-hyphenate "28-year-old" and "16-year-old". This recurs in the body.
    • Thanks, done on both
• Be consistent on hyphenation or not of "Jewish American"
  • done, though I never understand when or when not to :)
• Skir, a gay Jewish-American writer and journalist, previously published at least one novel under a pseudonym, and contributed to Jewish and lesbian journals about his identity. Remove last comma (CINS)
  • Done
  • For what it's worth, the appellation that writers like Leitsch give this novel (Skir's first credited) is not quite right. Skir previously published Leo the Last with Award Books in 1969 under his own name. There are two possibilities. He may have never told people of this novel; this was not out of character, since he wrote quite extensively for money, and didn't like telling others of it (according to some of his letters, at least ... I know he wrote an introduction to de Sade under his own name, too, and wrote some paperback smut under a pseudonym). Or it may actually be based on the screenplay itself (since Leo the Last's writing preceded the actual film, I think?), so it wouldn't be considered Skir's novel per se. Hopefully the article is clear enough that we're not stating it as fact, but as what reviewers say ... since no secondary sources really discuss this.
• Skir was a Jewish American and gay writer, who published articles in the Sh'ma Journal and the lesbian journal The Ladder about his Jewish and gay identities. Remove unneeded comma
  • Done
• Although he never receives a call, Leo becomes infatuated with Boychick, and tells his friends of their encounter, and of his apprehension because Boychick is under the age of consent in New York. try Although he never receives a call, Leo becomes infatuated with Boychick and tells his friends of their encounter, as well as of his apprehension because Boychick is under the age of consent in New York.
  • Tried something else; this is actually a bit out of chronology so I attempted a repair and added a point.
• The book was called one of the "pederastic erotic classics" alongside Jean Cocteau's The White Paper and Ronald Tavel's Street of Stairs, by Complete the appositive by adding a comma after classics", outside the quote.
  • Done
• The "'sicky' book", as he called it, expressed genuine artistic vision by Skir—Howell said the characters and settings were well-crafted—but that the cliché plot of a man Remove unneeded "that".
  • Done
• and the characters, who he said lacked depth should be "whom"
  • changed to underdeveloped before characters
• In contrast, Dick Leitsch, writing in the magazine Gay, said the novel's theme of loss of innocence was presented well, and contrasted drop the last comma (CinS)
  • yes
• Canadian writer Ian Young similarly said the prose was realistic, and it offered a "more humorous view" change ", and" to "and that"
  • done
• Writing for The Village Voice, Faubion Bowers commended the book for its artistic vision, and described Skir as "a Gide at his best" Remove second comma (CinS)
  • done

Sourcing and spot checks

The Tablet Magazine link is dead. IABot is down or I'd have run it on this article. You'll want to add an archive link and URL. I can't go hunting for it right now, but it will be my third spotcheck in a bit. The two spots I've been able to check look good.

• Leitsch review in Gay mentions prior pseudonymous novels, "real world" remark, and tenderness. Y
• The Wicker item mentions the characterization of "chick" as "sexist and male chauvinist". Y

No Earwig issues; someone copied from us, but that's something they can do.

Tablet changed where Sienna's writing was located; I've updated

• • Tablet came back clean, so I'm approving. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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