Talk:Brahui language

Forcible attempt to make Brahui a Dravidian Language

Why is there a forced and sinister attempt to link Brahui to the Dravidian language tree based on some remote speculation when no concrete link has been made between the Brahui language and the Dravidian family tree. Brahui speakers themselves discount such a connection but this article tries to pass it off as fact. Whats going on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.90.130.26 (talk) 15:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

because it is what most journal articles say . Kanatonian (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Because the overwhelming opinion of linguistic scholarship holds that Brahui is a Dravidian language. If you have reliable sources that argue the contrary, you could add to the article a properly referenced account of the disagreement. Reporting well-documented scholarly opinion is neither "forced" nor "sinister". --ColinFine (talk) 00:08, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone still dispute the Dravidianacity of this language? If so, please use the "Fact Disputed" template. I have removed the pov tag, as there does not appear to be a pov dispute going on here. -- LWG ^talk 19:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Forced and sinister attempt? How silly can you be? Are you just one of those weirdos who considers Aryans "superior" and is thus insulted by the association with the Dravidians? I swear as soon as you start talking about the Indo-European languages and people, the freaks all pop out of their hole.2601:140:8980:106F:E039:CC54:F294:84EB (talk) 19:44, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

As a Brahui and Balochi speaking person I can't see too much of a dravidian influence in brahui. The way sentences are formed are exactly the same as persian. There are only 7 or so dravidian words in Brahui while there are hundreds of Pashto and Farsi words so why is Brahui a dravidian language. Khalilazwami (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

@Khalilazwami: the reason you say this is because of rampant islamisation of languages of Pakistan. By this similar logic Urdu can be called a Semitic language Because of overwhelming presence of Arabic words in it. Or Kannada and Malayalam can be called Indo-Aryan due to presence of Sanskrit. But that, unfortunately, is not how classification of language works. ChandlerMinh (talk) 06:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

See the thing is urdu does not have an overwhelming amount of arabic words. It has more indo words thats why it is an indian language whereas brahui and pashto are similar Khalilazwami (talk) 07:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Bible

Why is there a bible link in this article? Wikipedia also doesn't have a link to Shakespears Works in Persian in the Persian language article, or to the Geldners Rigveda in the German language article. It would maybe make sense if Brahui is the original language of the bible. --Rayfield 14:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Bible link???

Shakespear??? as in John Shakespear ?

Brahui the original language of the Bible??? I don't think so…—Strabismus 20:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

No bravi(Brahui) language is not bible language and how come Shakespear ever knew this language?

Khalidkhoso 04:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The link is quite simply because that is an example of the language. There is no shortage of items in Persian or German. For many languages the entire written corpus is the New Testament. Rich Farmbrough, 07:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC).

typo?

Shouldn't this line "however, many members of the ethnic group longer speak Brahui" in the Distribution section read "however, many members of the ethnic group no longer speak Brahui"? ie the "no" is missing.

Handbook of the Birouhi language By Allâh Baksh

Handbook of the Birouhi language By Allâh Baksh (1877)

http://books.google.com/books?id=mrcOAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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Syntax of Brahui

Message from V R Jagannathan - I am not actually editing any of the existing texts here nor am I adding any text; rather I propose to insert here a section here on 'Syntax of Brahui'. Can someone give a few examples to make us understand for certain that it is a Dravidian language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.112.129 (talk) 05:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Contrary to popular belief Brahui is not a dravidian language. Brahui is a language to put is a bunch of iranic languages mixed into one. There are a couple dravidian words in brahui but that is hardly enought to consider it a dravidian language Khalilazwami (talk) 20:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Determining which family a language belongs to is a matter for comparative linguistics. There is a solid body of linguistics literature on the topic of Brahui – its Dravidian origin is well established there, and I don't think there has ever been any linguistically informed arguments to the contrary. Brahui's membership of the Dravidian family is not a "popular" notion, but a well-established scholarly fact.
I know this often comes as a surprise to the speakers themselves – after all, the language has so many words in common with Balochi and there are so many similarities in the syntax. However, these words are lexical borrowings, and the syntactic similarities are the result of language convergence. The Dravidian origin of Brahui is easier to detect if you focus on areas of the language that are less like to change as a result of contact with other languages – many of its basic words, as well as its morphology (the endings that nouns and verbs can take). – Uanfala (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

It would be nice to have an explicit presentation of the layered nature of Brahui. Is there a source with some illustrative material that we can tap on for this purpose? –Austronesier (talk) 11:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Elfenbein's very readable papers are relevant here. I've been meaning to add a grammar overview and then rewrite the lead section, but it's probably going to be some time before I get around to it, and even then I won't get into much detail about the history and the external influences. So if anyone feels like expanding the article, that would be welcome. – Uanfala (talk) 13:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I take issue with the part in which you say brahui and tamil have similar verb endings. After some research I could not find any common verb endings in brahui and tamil. Khalilazwami (talk) 09:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Capital letter missing in sample text?

A capital letter seems to be missing at the beginning of the last sentence of the sample text in Latin script. Since I am not knowledgeable wrt Brahui, I wonder if someone could say whether that sentence should start with a capital.Redav (talk) 00:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

"Native to Iran"

@Warrenmck: Re:[1] Could you provide a source indicating that Brahui is native to Iran? That's what you seemed to imply with your edit summary, correct? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems that the initial statement was correct, but it was a bit ambiguous in the article thanks to the mix of the maps, discussions of where the Brahui people live, and the lack of definitive information on the origin of the language. Spent some time this morning digging through sources, I'll revert the edit and try to remove some of the (admittedly slight) ambiguity I was seeing. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 23:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Substantial numbers of nomadic or semi-nomadic Brahui speakers inhabit the Afghan Šōrāwāk desert northwest of Nushki, in an area extending west along the Hilmand River into Iranian Sistan [emphasis added]... There seem no longer to be any Brahui speakers in Iran south of Sistan, although G.P. Tate (1909) mentioned colonies of Brahuis as far south as Khāš. (Elfenbein, J. (2019), "Brahui", in S.B. Steever, The Dravidian languages, p. 495–519, Routledge). I think that will suffice, what do you think? –Austronesier (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

There's also this, from "A Description of the Verb Structure in Brahui Variety of Rudbar-Jonub" (admittedly less strong a source, though).

According to experts and local speakers, the Brahui first entered Iran about three or four hundred years ago. A group of them has migrated from Sistan and Baluchestan to Southern Kerman and today most of them reside in Tom-meyri village, which is a part of Rudbar Jonoub division.

My only concern with the homeland statement was the mix of statements about Brahui speakers being present in Iran and the lack of knowledge of where Brahui originated meant that as the article was phrased (to me) it looked like the fuzzy region which would constitute the homeland did overlap with Iran, but that appears to not be the case here. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 20:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)