Talk:Branko Culina

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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Branko Čulina → Branko Culina – Another follow up from Talk:Matthew Spiranovic#Requested move and Category:Australian people of Croatian descent. Culina was born in Yugoslavia but moved to Australia when he was 10 and hence is notable for exploits as an Australian where he is obviously referred to without the accent. Jenks24 (talk) 13:54, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Question - does this mean Croatians and Serbians who are not Australian passport holders should not be Australianized? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Give me a break. I'm deliberately not focusing on them. Jenks24 (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well sorry but it reflects my lack of enthusiasm for the somewhat 1-sided approach. As regards "Australian where he is obviously referred to without the accent", this assumption about Australians may change. Sports papers don't have full font sets, in any country, but books in Australia have the same range of fonts as in UK and US. The important thing to remember here is that alphabets indicate pronunciation. The difference between "KooLEEna" and "CHOOLina" is a big difference. If it was UK there's a good chance that "Č" might be preserved to prevent the manager being pronounced as the Latin for "kitchen". But yeah, whatever, he was 10 when arrived in Aus in the 1960s, if it was someone more recent the assumption would be different. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm deliberately trying to make my arguments for these RMs in terms that you would agree with. If you want I can just go back to my COMMONNAME argument but no doubt there would be complaints about that too. Jenks24 (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. See the Newcastle Jets site, Newcastle Herald, SBS, and ESPN. That covers his employer, his hometown paper, the Australian national press, and the international press. The most authoritative sources are International Who's Who and Who's Who in Australia, if someone wants to look those up. Update. I must ask, where does the passport criteria come from? Is there a guideline we can refer to? Is there some RS that explains it or at least uses it? The Satanic Sheik (talk) 11:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: No comment on the topic, but there's a massive possibility the above user is a sockpuppet of the sitebanned User:Kauffner. Both User:In ictu oculi who posted above and an admin found the evidence pretty compelling, but CU was unable to catch him. There's currently a discussion open on ANI. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Resolved. Sock blocked. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Assuming the preponderance of coverage does indeed lose the diacritic and there's no significant coverage in Croatian sources (I did a quick check and I can't seem to find much), this is not actually a controversial move and need not have been done through WP:RM. I do have to say that this does look somewhat WP:POINTy, because this has sat here unmoved since late 2006, which is almost eight years now, including the heyday period of Wikipedia editing. In such circumstances, parallels with Ana Ivanović and such cases are inescapable. I remain under the impression that diacritics in glaringly foreign names don't actually detract from the reading experience of any actual readers of the English Wikipedia; they only seem to irk a handful of overly fastidious editors. (Sorry.) --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. The person in question lived in Australia for the entirety of his adult life, and his notability stems from his work there, as attested by the sources. I suppose "Culina" is his legal name, which reinforces the point, even if it is not a very strong argument by itself. GregorB (talk) 17:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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