Talk:Brethren of the Common Life

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• I assume this is drawn from the early-20th century encyclopedia. Some of the statements border on polemical, and should be edited, or atleast backed-up with citations. Any experts on 15th century church history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.210.82 (talk • contribs)

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The article needs some work to avoid POV; sentences as "The reformer, of course, was opposed by the clergy whose evil lives he denounced, but the cry of heresy was raised in vain against one who was as zealous for purity of faith as for purity of morals" should be avoided. Also, the tone could be more neutral and less rhetoric. GhePeU 20:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I revised the above sentence. What else? --Uncle Ed 18:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a hagiography, not a NPOV encyclopaedic article. GhePeU 19:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's start with Professor Bernard Guenée's biography of Cardinal Pierre d'Ailly, in Between Church and State (ISBN 978-0226310329). In it, he describes the Cardinal's displacement as Chief Theologian, placing his pupil and friend Jan Gerson in his honours, before removing himself to the vacant bishopric of Cambrai, astride the Franco-Burgundian border. This then exposes him to the suzerain Holy Roman Empire's interests. Shortly before Ruusbroec's death in 1381, Groot is won to his thinking during a week-long visit, and that then leads to the Brethren and Windesheim.

Following Ruusbroec's death, his collected works land on Gerson's desk for posthumous imprimatur, and he forwards The Spiritual Tabernacle to d'Ailly as it seems to offer a path forwards. Another pause follows, until the HRE starts to react to the complaints coming from the other end of the Empire about Ottoman incursions into their Austro-Hungarian holdings, and the rabid behaviour of the Voivode, Vlad Dracula (actually adolescent CPTSD reenacting his traumas). Needing a united Christendom behind him, the Emperor convenes the Council of Constance in 1414 to invert its internal power structure, restoring Papal Authority, Jan Hus is importunate and is burned at the stake, the Valois also try to take control and meet a similar fate: an Anglo-Burgundian alliance suckers all four Valois armies into a prepared killing ground, mired on foot they surrender and are slaughtered. d'Ailly's letter of congratulations to Henry V is a delight. His path is now clear, but has to accept some imposition from the traditionalists. His choice of Martin V panders to the Roman Famiglias from whose ranks Popes had been drawn since forever, but is also the most decrepit candidate, unlikely to survive long. It doesn't work out that way, the Papal nuns diagnose lactose intolerance, switch him to goats milk, and he lives to an inconvenient old age, dying in 1430. d'Ailly passed in 1420, but Gerson held things on track, the next Pope, Gabriele Condulmer/Eugenius IV, is a Venetian graduate of Windesheim, and hits the ground running, his Papal Coronation Anthem, Dufay's Ecclesie Militate, Church Take Arms, calling for a crusade. Unfortunately, another d'Ailly, Jehane, surnamed d'Arc, having cut the ground from underneath him the previous year, giving cred to the next generation of Valois, nobody's willing to go gallivanting off to foreign parts, so the HRE goes alone, and gets trounced at Varna.

Now to connect the dots. Dufay and van Eyck were both in d'Ailly's retinue at Constance, and created a quadrivium foundation for Ruusbroec's work in the 1430s, in the form of Dufay's Cantus Firmus (ie folk) mass L'Homme Armé, covering music/arithmetic, with van Eyck's Mystic Lamb and Fountain of Life covering cosmology/geometry. So we have Windesheim and the Devotio Moderna, Dufay and van Eyck, long recognised as the heart of the birth of the Renaissance. Gutenberg's rolling, and others rapidly follow. 2.219.80.141 (talk) 13:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

So rewrite it! Although the RC Encyclopedia used for much of the early mediaval philosophers IS biased by the 19th century Bollandist adoratives, at least it's generally correct in facts. You should bring out their descent from Ruusbroec's Groenendael priory, submitted to the Victorine Order which was actually an important part of the early University of Paris. Contact me at jelmain&skynet,be for further help.

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