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Nonsense definitions of Bribery need deleting & revising.

The article starts out with ridiculous definitions of bribery:

"Bribery is the act of giving or receiving something of value in exchange for some kind of influence or action in return, that the recipient would otherwise not offer. . . . Essentially, bribery is offering to do something for someone for the expressed purpose of receiving something in exchange.[2]"

The first statement above has no source. The second statement is not supported by the citation given. The statements make all commercial transactions acts of bribery! The second footnote does not support the definition for which it is cited. How that citation defines bribery is "Corrupt solicitation, acceptance, or transfer of value in exchange for official action." Some of the definitions offered by this article constitute offering and paying a guy $10 to mow your lawn, when he would not otherwise do so, as bribery!

Giving money to influence behavior is not bribery. The gift must be illegal or unethical. Rewards and positive reinforcement are not ipso fact bribery. (PeacePeace (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2019 (UTC))

This article requires very careful language.

Do you think that merely giving money to influence a person's behavior is a form of bribery? So the USA government gives Pakistan millions of dollars for permission to fly war planes over Pakistan to Afghanistan? To label a gift or delivery of money with the term "bribery" should include more explanation; for example, the influenced behavior should be illegal or unethical. So you pay a guy $20 more to mow your lawn than you had agreed to, because you want him to come back again & do a good job for you when he cuts the grass. The money influences his behavior. What percent of money transfers intends to influence behavior? You hand a ticket seller the price of a ticket to influence his behavior, namely to open the gate for you. That is not bribery. You hand a clerk money to influence his behavior: he will then hand you a gallon of milk and let you walk out with it. That is not bribery. Governments negotiate: you do this for us, & we do that for you. Money may be involved, but so what? Bribery has to be distinguished from doing business. I suggest that the definition needs qualification as illegal or unethical behavior desired.

I realize that it is probably beyond the sophistication of this article to point out that some business exchange may be some percent regular business & some percent unethical bribery. And at times there may be no neat line between the two. (PeacePeace (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2019 (UTC))