Talk:Brigid of Kildare

Why Cill Dara?

Why is always "Cell Dara" changed back to "Cill Dara"???

Kildare is "Cill Dara" in modern Irish but originally derived from "Cell Dara" in Old Irish, meaning "Church of the Oak"! This is a well known fact! In the Early Christian Ireland the name "Cell Dara" was used not "Cill Dara"!

Theological Problems

The statement that Brigid's supposed episcopal ordination would have been valid although illegitimate is, unfortunately, theologically unfounded, and I have removed it since, from a historical standpoint, it is categorically incorrect. The Anglican Ordinations controversy raised this same idea later, an ordination is not valid if the bishop did not actually intend to ordain the person as a bishop, or priest, or deacon. Furthermore, Catholic theology currently (and historically) holds that it is impossible to ordain women -- therefore, even the bishop had intended to do it, it would not have worked. I have removed the erroneous theological statement.

There is no evidence given that Brigid did receive ordination. I cannot find any independant sources to verify it, and for such an unlikely claim, any mention of it ought to be backed by very solid sources. A primary source quotation should be supplied and cited. We can't be making up things or passing on dubious claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totustuusmaria (talk • contribs) 20:40, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Feast Day

According to Catholic sites, the actual feast day is January 21, not February 1. Is there any reason not to change it to the January date? See http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1837. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.143.106.248 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

That's because that's a different St. Bridget. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.37.61.2 (talk • contribs).

Yes, in agreement with the above, I'll quote the Irish poet, Raftery (1784-1835). "Anois teacht an Earraigh beidh an lá dúl chun shíneadh, Is tar eis na féil Bríde ardóigh mé mo sheol." (Now Spring is here, the days will grow shorter, And after Brigid's Day, I'll head for the hills.) St. Brigid's day always signifies the beginning of Spring: 1st February.

Speaking of Catholic sites, portions of this are lifted from the Catholic Encyclopedia verbatim.

I've deleted the bit about Groundhog Day, because one, it's an american thing, and two, groundhogs aren't native to Ireland. Vittula (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox

According to today's Main Page, today is the feast of Brigit of Kildare for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Is that for the Julian calendar offset or does the Orthodox church actually fest Saint Brigit on a different date? --Error (talk) 22:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

East Kilbride

Also I think mention should be made of the largest town whose name commemorates her, East Kilbride.

Spelling of her name

I notice that the title of the entry lists her as "Brigit" while the spelling "Brigid" is used throughout the entry. It seems, though, that this might have been changed, as the variants listed include Brigid but not Brigit.

Anyone have any idea how best to render her name? Should the title be changed to match the entry? Daniel the Monk (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I know this comes over two years later, but I have "boldly" switched any leftover "Brigit"s to "Brigid" for consistency. Quick google search shows 278,000 for Brigid, and 42,000 for Brigit; (and I wonder if some of those picked it up from here). Grattan-Flood uses "Brigid", as does the Brigidine Sisters, the Orthodox Church, the Dublin Jesuits, and perhaps more to the point, the Kildare Town Heritage Centre. (I have always identified Brigit with a "T" with Brigit of Sweden.) I think User:Daniel the Monk's suggestion is on point, (but I'm not authorized to make such a change). Mannanan51 (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not going to challenge the change by Mannanan51. I would just point out that there is no such group as "Brigidine" Sisters. I suspect that he means the Bridgettines, who were founded by St. Bridget of Sweden, not the Irish saint. Daniel the Monk (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the spelling of Brigit/Brigid, that's just a matter of the development of Irish orthography. The earlier spelling would have used -t, representing a palatalised /d/ sound. This would later have become written as -d. Later spelling would also have marked lenition of the -g-, becoming Brighid. Later still, reformed modern Irish spelling eliminated the -gh-, producing the modern Irish name Bríd (pronounced "breege"). The only change in pronunciation over that time is the -g-/-gh- going from a voiced guttural to a /y/ sound to disappearing. --Nicknack009 (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

FWIW this is the link to the Brigidines founded in 1807 by Daniel Delany, Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin.[1] Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night. Mannanan51 (talk) 02:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Nicknack is correct. All of the above spellings are "correct," depending on the era of the source material. - CorbieV^☊ 22:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me about that congregation, Mannanan51. The question remains, however, about uniformity between the title of the entry and its body. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Daniel the Monk (talk) 00:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I have changed "lenited" to "mutated" in relation to Welsh, since the first is actually incorrect in relation to this change in Welsh. There is an explanation of this in the Wikipedia article on "Lenition". Deipnosophista (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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