Talk:British Waterways

London

Hi, I thought it would be a good idea to include this article under a couple of London transport categories, mainly because it seemed to be a pity to leave it out (there's more water in London than just the Thames!). I understand it's a national body and not a London organisation - but it seemed to me to be a logical fit to include it in both spheres, since London has canals. Sorry if anyone was put out by it. All the best --Cnbrb 11:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

BW vs BWB

It is clear that the company now refers to itself as British Waterways; however it was presumably incorporated as the British Waterways Board in the Transport Act 1962. When did the change of name take place? I have known it as "BWB" for many years, and this is presumably shown (in full) on signs too. (The BW site was of no help answering this question.) What's the history behind this?

EdJogg (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Legally, it is still BWB, but it markets itself as BW. Mayalld (talk) 20:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Odd that they don't have to use that on their annual reports? The only reference I found to BWBoard was relating to the non-executive board. However, recent legislation refers to British Waterways Board, most recently The Regulatory Reform (British Waterways Board) Order 2003 (No. 1545). I couldn't find anything at companies house, except their marina and pensions divisions which are limited companies. Derek Andrews (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Going to call themselves the Canal & River Trust now.©Geni 23:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: article not moved Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 13:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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British Waterways → Canal & River Trust – British Waterways has been renamed. It still has the same statutory duties and the exactly they same employees. It is even funded in almost the same way: canal access fees, public donations and grants from the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA). To suggest there will be a transfer of "ownership from the current government-owned operator, British Waterways" is wrong. If that was the case, the whole BW organisation would have to reapply for their own jobs which they haven't! This is purely a paper exercise in changing the way investment in the inland waterways of the UK is conducted. 86.184.121.204 (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

That page already exists so moving it would remove the information already there. I suggest that that article is expanded and the BW article is used as the old organisation as the differences between the two organisations warrant seperate articles. I will work on the CRT article as soon as i can. Rafmarham (talk) 10:52, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - British Waterways (or British Waterways Board) is a significant part of 20th century British history - part of the wide-ranging nationalisations around 1948 - and deserves to be represented by its own article. Transfer of assests (including staff) does not alter that fact. Oosoom ^Talk 12:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. The move-request looks reasonable at first glance, but the commentary is very difficult to reconcile with what sources say:
  • On 2 July 2012, British Waterways ceased to exist in England and Wales and in its place Canal & River Trust was set up ...
  • The Canal & River Trust is the new charity which has just taken over responsibility for ...
  • The new charity, whcih will be up and running by the summer, will bring together ...
  • The charity that will be officially launched on July 12 takes charge of hundreds of miles of British waterways and is now one of the UK's largest charities.
  • The Canal & River Trust, the new national charity for the waterways, has announced its first three corporate partnerships
  • Not all statutory functions are transferred: [1]
  • In order to help the Canal & River Trust get off to the best possible start, Defra has committed a property endowment worth £460 million and funding of £800 million ... The inland waterways managed by the Environment Agency will transfer to the new waterways charity
  • the body being set up to care for the historic canals and rivers of England and Wales
  • In fact, British Waterways remains in public ownership as the legal entity exercising its statutory functions solely in Scotland, for all its public facing activities its operating name has become Scottish Canals.
• So, by the OP's reasoning, we should rename the article to "Scottish Canals". Any takers? ;-) bobrayner (talk) 15:22, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - as stated above by Oossom British Waterways (or British Waterways Board) was a significant part of 20th century British history, a "department of government". I have no objection to a new article Canal & River Trust be created, but it should start from now (well when that trust was created) and not just be a renaming of the article British Waterways. Pyrotec (talk) 20:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I have expanded the Canal & River Trust article as best I could considering it hasn't publicly launched yet. The finance section should be expanded when they release their first financial report and some images should be added when convenient. A list of the waterways they operate would also be nice, it can easily be found on the CRT website. Rafmarham (talk) 19:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

A 2-article solution seems reasonable to me; one current organisation and one historical organisation. bobrayner (talk) 00:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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References Warning

Just a warning note about the following. Following BW's demise, the Waterscape website has been removed and the BW website retained but only to display the previous publications of BW. As a result alot of the pages with the information on have now been removed making nearly all the BW/Waterscape links dead.

If the pages can be found on the Internet Archive then an archive URL can be added to the references and they can be held but if not, that will have to go. An example is to add the URL [2] to the reference for the CRT Timeline. Rafmarham (talk) 16:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I've put an archiveurl on the only waterscape reference that has disappeared - the transition timeline. The others currently link through to the new site but things may change after 12 July when the new site is officially launched. Chris55 (talk) 11:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC

BLP noticeboard

 Done-- sorted out through the noticeboard. DBaK (talk) 02:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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