Talk:British nuclear testing in the United States

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 15:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

• No DABs, external links mostly OK
• This link didn't work for me: Agreement between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for Cooperation on the uses of Atomic Energy for Mutual Defence Purposes

  Y JBOSS error. Likely a temporary problem, but substituted the US copy of the treaty. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Images properly licensed.
• Link megaton, kiloton, subcritical, primary and secondary fusion on first use

   Done Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Once you've mentioned a year, you needn't mention it again until the next year. 15 May 1963, Clean Slate 1 on 25 May 1963, Clean Slate 2 on 31 May 1963 and Clean Slate 3 on 9 June 1963, forex

  Y Removed repeated years. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• new warhead was designed "had to be" designed?

   Done Slight re-wording required. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Nicely done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• All points addressed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Isolationism vs non-interventionism

First of all, note WP:NOTBROKEN: Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken There is usually nothing wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page.

My sources all speak of US isolationism. I am unaware of there being such a thing as US non-interventionism; it sounds like rubbish. Google ngrams indicates that "isolationism" is common and "non-interventioism" is rare. Apparently, the argument is that "this distinguishes isolationism from non-interventionism, which also advocates military neutrality but does not necessarily oppose international commitments and treaties in general." This being the case, isolationism is what we want, and I have re-linked to the "isolationism" article.

However, this spoils the reason for the redirect, which is that someone might want to expand it into an article in its own right. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hawkeye7, I am fine with your change to just isolationism if that is in fact what the context of the article in this instance calls for (i.e. "what we want"). I would add though, just like the word "rubbish" is never used in the United states, there are terms that may in fact be used more or less regionally. I myself was not aware that this might have been the case with isolationism vs. non-interventionism, but in the United States, non-interventionism is distinct from isolationism and very much a valid term (i.e. not "rubbish"). Thank you for reading my comments. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't disputing your contention that the two are distinct. I just find it troubling that there is a redirect pointing to something distinct. That should not happen. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)