Talk:Brittany Spaniel

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I'm going to get around to creating a disambiguation page for the term "birdy"Wcrowe 19:49, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think I got carried away here. Too much detail? Comments?Wcrowe 13:53, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The info is excellent. Now that you ask, though, I wonder whether training & method of work really apply to most gundogs and ought to go into a more general article like that one? Elf | Talk 15:39, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

My answer to this would be to point you towards mains power plug, too much detail? Not possible ;) -- sannse (talk) 21:23, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I thought of that too (that the training would apply to other breeds). The trouble with that is that I think other breeds are trained pretty much the same way, and I know that other breeds appear to work pretty much the same way, but my only experience has been specifically with Brittanies. Looks like I need to research this some more. Perhaps then, I will move this information to a general article.

I think it could be a good topic to include. The training these dogs go through is interesting and it is amazing to watch these dogs work. It's almost an art form, really. I think it's too bad so many people don't get to see it in person.Wcrowe 04:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

agreed, I wouldn't complain if there was even more info here.... --cgw 17 mar 2005—Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.244.3 (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2005 (UTC)

These dogs are so cute—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.13.99 (talk) 15:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Why is it still legal for vets to dock a brittany's tail or is it usually that way?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.28.120 (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Size

"The breed standard calls for a dog weighing between 30 and 40 pounds (13 to 18 kg) and standing 17½ to 20½ inches (44 to 52 cm)." Which breed standard does this refer to? Pharaoh Hound 21:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

AKC The Dogfather 18:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to generalize it. After all, the AKC is important, but isn't the only KC. Pharaoh Hound 19:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Docking

Why is it still legal for vets to dock a brittany's tail or is it usually that way?

See Docking (dog) for more detail on this seemingly simple question. Many differences of opinion exist on the issue.
-Icomeau 18:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

2 articles on same breed..

are these two articles the same breed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Brittany_(dog) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany_(dog) --96.28.138.202 (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, i see they are actually two different types of the same breed.. --Ltshears (talk) 01:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

This article seems to encompass both, and is about the Brittany in general, not just the American or French version. They should probably be merged. 68.149.106.103 (talk) 04:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

this should be split and maintained as French Brittany and american brittany. The standards for both are distinct enough to support the delimitation of these breeds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epower (talk • contribs) 18:02, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

The "French Brittany" is a nick name for the Epagneul breton a completely different breed than the american brittany. The epagneul breton is not recognized by the AKC but is recognized by the UKC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacBroughton (talk • contribs) 15:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Lack of references

Most of this article seems to lack references, and from what I've read some of it is very inaccurate. 68.149.106.103 (talk) 04:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

error re "1800 years"???

Under "History" I believe stating breed goes back 1800 years is a mistake or requires explaining. That would be year 210 AD and other references refer to 17th and `18th centuries. Annebourne (talk) 15:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge from French Brittany (dog)

Proposing merge as I think the main Brittany (dog) article is suitable to cover both subjects and the French Brittany (dog) article isn't particularly well referenced nor well at keeping on topic. Miyagawa (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The French Brittany article has now been redirected here. Miyagawa (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The Epagneul Breton or french brittany is a completely different dog the facts on the brittany are wrong the epagneul breton was first recognized by france in 1907 but the breed had been used by french poachers for hundreds of years before the official declaration of the breed. The epagneul breton or french brittany was bred for a foot hunter where as the american brittany was later bred in america for horseback hunting. In the early 1900's the Epagneul breton was brought to the united states where to compensate for the large open praries was bred with larger bird dogs to get them to run further for hunters on horse back. The american brittany is high strung and wild the epagneul breton is much calmer and is much easier to train. If you are interested in learning more about the epagneul breton go to this website www.epagneul-breton.ws/en/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacBroughton (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

We currently only have one article for the two breeds, so until they are split, the term "Epagneul Breton" should remain.--Dodo bird (talk) 18:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Error on the the ¨Spaniel¨ term

The statement concerning the word Spaniel is totally erroneous. See the French Brittany Spaniel Wiki entry for the real etymology of the word Spaniel. This significant error is also based on ignorance of many many other breeds in several countries which are pointing spaniels (mostly in Europe => French Spaniel, Épagneul Picard, Munsterlander in Germany, the Drentsche Patrijshond in Netherlands (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drentse_Patrijshond), etc.). Such statements resulting from ignorance of what takes place elsewhere on the planet (and not just in North-America) should not be accepted as official material in a Wiki entry. Mathalois (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Good start. Needs many more references. Health and history sections should be expanded. The training, method of work section should be merged with temperament. Needs info about grooming. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. to Brittany Spaniel. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Brittany (dog) → Brittany dog – In accordance with consensus and in line with other articles the article was previously moved to dog without parentheses, someone who has had their username removed reverted it in 2019. See WP:NCDAB;Traumnovelle (talk) 19:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Traumnovelle (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 23:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, Brittany (dog) appears to be about a dog named "Brittany", as exemplified by main title headers for entries delineating famous dogs — Cheeka (dog), Cosmo (dog), Darla (dog), Higgins (dog), Jean (dog), Teddy (dog), Koko (dog), Madison (dog), Petra (dog) or Skippy (dog), to name but ten. It may be also noted that Brittany dog was moved to Brittany (breed) in March 2015, then moved back to Brittany dog in October 2017 and then moved to Brittany (dog) in October 2019. A similar nomination is also currently active at Talk:Feist (dog)#Requested move 3 March 2024. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:05, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Note similar ongoing RMs at Talk:Feist (dog), Talk:Boxer (dog), and Talk:Akita (dog). 162 etc. (talk) 05:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

  Two of those RMs have been closed, so the discussions for Talk:Boxer (dog) and Talk:Akita (dog) (and similar grouped pages) are now found at Talk:Boxer (dog breed) and Talk:Akita (dog breed). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Brittany (dog breed), which avoids both the obscure construction of "Brittany dog" and the risk of confusion with articles on individual dogs. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
• Move to Brittany (dog breed) as suggested by ModernDayTrilobite, per WP:Title specifically states that "article naming should prefer what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize...the names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists." So this article should not have dog without parenthesis for the same reasons that German Shepherd is not German Shepherd Dog, see Talk:German_Shepherd/Archive_3#Why? Annwfwn (talk • contribs) 23:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

  What English speaker wouldn't recognise Brittany dog but would recognise Brittany dog breed?. I'm not sure a discussion from 2008 is very relevant here given there is no disambiguation for German Shepherd but Brittany does lead to an article on something other than the breed. You have also omitted other relevant parts of WP:AT such as WP:TITLEDAB which clearly states that when titles need to be disambiguated an alternative common name may be used and that parenthetical disambiguation is considered a last resort and to be used when natural disambiguation can't produce a suitable title.

  [1] which requires institutional access uses the term 'Brittany dog' in a list of breeds, so does [2] and [3]. For published books there is [4], [5]. and [6]. Some website usage includes [7], [8], and [9]. Clearly the term is used and the notion that Brittany dog isn't understood by English speakers is just laughable. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, no need for disambiguation of any kind. Per WP:NATURAL, "... an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources", the page should be moved to Brittany Spaniel, as it is called by the FCI and in innumerable sources, of which Alex Gough, Alison Thomas (2004), Breed Predispositions to Disease in Dogs and Cats, Oxford: Blackwell Publishing, ISBN 9781405107488, page 37, is just one example. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

  I don't mind Brittany Spaniel, I thought the 'spaniel' was erroneous hence the title being different but it seems I've just been confused due to the American Kennel Club name and some comments.

  I've checked and seen that not only is it not erroneous, it's the official name of the breed under the FCI, a valid translation of the French name, and used in multiple reliable sources.

  So I'm in favour of a move to Brittany Spaniel instead. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: for clearer consensus, and further discussion if the natdab works. – robertsky (talk) 23:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. I would support either Brittany (dog) → Brittany (dog breed) or Brittany (dog) → Brittany Spaniel. In fact, Brittany (dog) → Brittany Spaniel actually does seem preferable since it obviates the need for a parenthetical qualifier as well as even for the use of the desciption "dog". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I would also support the move to Brittany Spaniel. It is both a valid official name, as mentioned (indeed I think the AKC is the only major kennel club, or at least in a minority to drop the "spaniel" or its appropriate translation), and an extremely common and widely understood name for the breed. Canardroublard (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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