Talk:Brittany Murphy/Archive 2

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Cause of death

There are no reliable reports that she died of "cardiac arrest". The reliable detailed reports say the medical team found her in full cardiac arrest when they arrived. This would be the case if she was clinically dead from any cause when they arrived. It's shorthand for no apparent cause of death, but no pulse or other cardiac activity. Less accurate, later reports have interpreted "in cardiac arrest" to "from cardiac arrest," changing a pure description to an off-the-cuff autopsy. Article should not include a cause of death until an autopsy or other medical determination. Initial reports on Heath Ledger said he was found in "full cardiac arrest" [1] [2] but that was not his official/actual cause of death. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Maybe rewrite to say "suspected cause of death is cardiac arrest". Sheilaj (talk) 23:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Uk.news.yahoo.com says the Editor of Parade Magazine has told sky news that Brittany had a "heart murmur". -- Jack1755 (talk) 00:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

A heart murmur is a minor problem with a heart valve, it will not kill you unless you are under cardiovascular stress e.g. participating in vigorous exercise, compromise to airway or oxygen (drowning) or have ingested (or had administered) certain kinds of drugs. It is never a cause of death by itself.

The article cited does not say she had diabetes or thyroid condition.--121.209.161.103 (talk)

Thanks for pointing this out. The source at [3] does not confirm this. In any case, by WP:CONSENSUS, the article is not currently speculating on the cause of death.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Is there any veracity to the suggestions that she was struggling with anorexia? Bo-Lingua (talk) 20:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The prescription drugs/cocaine/anorexia angles are all media chatter at the moment. There will be no firm answers until the official autopsy report is published.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Movie role > The expendables

Wasn't she working in this movie before she died ? If so, someone should add the movie to the list. 78.97.51.13 (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

More full name confusion

Her statement in this interview seems to make her full name out as "Sharon Kathleen Murphy". Should this be added to the article, or is there still confusion over her birthname? (The LA coroner's statement refers to her as "Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack" - [4]). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The RTE interview is interesting and confusing. It does not really help on the issue of the name on the birth certificate, which could have been Murphy or Bertolotti (or something else). The article is stuck on this issue unless clearer evidence emerges.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should add in "Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack" as her legal name? The LA coroner is a good source. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a WP:COMMONNAME issue here. She may have been called this in legal documents after her marriage in 2007, but for most purposes was known simply as Brittany Murphy.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

When a famous woman marries, what most often happens is that her legal name changes, but the name she uses professionally and what she is best known by does not. Throughout her career she has been best known to the public and media as Brittany Murphy, hence that is the article's title. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the article's title. I'm talking about something similar to the intros of Sarah Michelle Gellar and Jennifer Garner. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 19:28, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

I think we would need more evidence to state her name as ever being changed. There is also the issue of whether she ever had her father's surname. Gellar and Garner are both married to famous men, and thus are sometimes referred to by those surnames. Murphy's widower is only slightly notable, hence most people would not recognise his name. If her name given on her death certificate includes Monjack, that would be enough to include her change of name in the article, whilst not changing the title. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 23:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

The WP:LEAD should stick to "Brittany Murphy", as it is the WP:COMMONNAME. On the question of the name on her birth certificate, the death certificate cited by TMZ at [5] does not explicitly say that she was called "Brittany Anne Murphy" at birth. It also lists her father as "unknown", which is interesting given that her father is generally accepted to be Angelo Bertolotti. There is a risk of wandering off into original research territory here at the moment, so for the time being it is best to stick to "Brittany Murphy", the name by which she is usually known.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:38, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The LA County death certificate states her name as Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack link. I believe it should be changed as so. --Zimbabweed (talk) 18:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, but it is probably best avoided in the WP:LEAD as hardly anyone will have heard her being called this. It could be mentioned in the part where she married in 2007.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

According to WP:MOSBIO#Names: While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known. --Zimbabweed (talk) 19:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Support adding her full name to the lead per WP:MOSBIO. There are additional sources reporting this based on the death certificate.[6][7] dissolve^talk 12:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Tiger Woods is described in the WP:LEAD as "Eldrick Tont Woods (born December 30, 1975), better known as Tiger Woods". On these grounds, Brittany Murphy could be described as "Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack". Is this OK?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Official Homepage?

Does she have one? and it should be listed here. --Huik01 (talk) 01:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably not. The domain name brittanymurphy.com was registered in March 1999 but has no website.[8]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection

How do we get an admin to protect this article? I can't keep up with reverting all the vandalism edits in the last few minutes. They need to be done manually because there are conflicts. HELP!!--Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, I think I got them all.--Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I've added the article at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. We seem to have the idiots in at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!!--Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:55, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Most viewed

This was the most viewed article in December including 2.3 million hit on one day. Rich Farmbrough, 09:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC).

Website contains malware

^ Wollman Rusoff, Jane (2001-10-18). "The rising actress switches gears and goes from crazy to sexy for Riding in Cars With Boys" . Mr. Showbiz. http://www.brittanymurphy.8m.com/mrshowbiz.html . Retrieved 2009-11-18. Reference link should be removed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.203.242.116 (talk) 23:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Other names

When I tried to locate her entry in the Social Security Death Index, I was surprised to find it listed as "Brittany A Bertolotti." Typing "Brittany Bertolotti" into Google also generates a significant number of results directly relating to her. As such, I wonder if this means we should mention this name in the article somewhere. 128.2.67.241 (talk) 00:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

There is original research here. The death certificate [9] gives her name as Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack, so this would have been her legal name at the time of her death.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:58, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

And where is that at? The lead sentence says "Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack (November 10, 1977 – December 20, 2009),[1] known professionally as Brittany Murphy, was an American actress and singer." How is that original research? We generally list actor biographies by professional names. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The point that I was trying to make here was an answer to the question at the start of the section. There has been some dispute about the name, but Brittany Anne Murphy-Monjack is the one on her death certificate. It has been suggested that her name at birth was Brittany Bertolotti, but this is not known for sure. Incidentally, the death certificate [10] blanks out Murphy's social security number, presumably due to privacy concerns. The current naming in the lead is OK and reliably sourced.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Lead

The lead is tagged as needing expansion. Any idea of how to do this? The article is fairly short as it is, and there is little point in repeating material just a paragraph or two away.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The best way to understand what is expected in a lead is to look at other articles and read WP:LEAD. In fact, the lead should be able to function as a brief, stand-alone article, and therefore, repeating material elsewhere in the article is perfectly acceptable and fine. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, but is there anything that you think is substantially missing from the lead at the moment?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a paragraph summarizing her acting career, her music career and probably briefly covering her death. It should be at least 2, if not 3, paragraphs. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Death "was preventable"

This is sourced here. I had some doubts about removing it, but it seemed to be speculative rather than a fact. There is always a risk of 20:20 hindsight in these situations, and the coroner ruled that the death was accidental and no wrongdoing was involved. "Could have been preventable" contains too much conjecture to convey reliable information.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The exact quote seems to be here: "This death could've been preventable," Assistant Chief Ed Winter tells PEOPLE. "Murphy was planning on seeing a doctor, but she unfortunately passed away before she did. This was a case of a person with pneumonia who was anemic (having a low blood count) who was taking medication when she should've been getting medical treatment." Winter is speculating with the benefit of hindsight, and this creates a misleading impression.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Brittany Murphy Foundation

This section seems to be too long/digressing from the main subject/non-notable. Any other thoughts on this?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought it sounded entirely too tabloidy and pared it down quite a bit. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought the same thing too, but I think it's a lot better now -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I was the user who added this section. I added it as I felt it was noteable that a foundation had been established in her honour. As the foundation had recieved attention for certain irregularities, I also felt this was worth mentioning, and that the section itself would be elaborated on once more information about the foundations works became avaliable. However, upon reflection, I do feel that the edits made subsequently by other users have made the entry more concise and that it reads much better now. Billydeeuk (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Brittany Murphy also starred in the comedy Just Married with always funny Ashton Kutcher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.200.164 (talk) 19:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Cause of Death

In the interest of politeness, I'm not sure it's necessary to use the phrase "multiple drug intoxication" when describing her cause-of-death. Some people may not understand what that means. At this point in time, the semi-official story seems to be that she was taking Vicodin, an antibiotic, and cough medicine. I understand what is meant by the phrase, but MANY people, in my opinion, may come away with it thinking, "OH well YEAH OF COURSE, those HOLLYWOOD people always taking too many drugs!!!" That doesn't seem to be the case - she was taking three commonly-used, legal drugs. The combination apparently killed her when it occurred on top of the pneumonia - but i.m.o. this isn't a "Michael Jackson-like event" and the way things are phrased here may lead people to misunderstand exactly what really happened. The primary cause of death was pneumonia, and the coroner has ruled it an "accidental death" due to the fact that she was also taking three commonly-used prescription drugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.200.152 (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Because pneumonia has been confirmed as the primary cause of death, I will add Category:Deaths from pneumonia and Category:Infectious disease deaths in California. I don't think Category:Deaths from anemia applies in her case.--TDogg310 (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I think in the goal of being more exact, there should probably be a correction to the statement, "the coroner released a report stating that Murphy had been taking a range of over the counter and prescription medications, with the most likely reason being to treat a cold or respiratory infection," as hydrocodone is a narcotic pain medication and not likely used to treat a cold or respiratory infection. The reason is that the hydrocodone is probably the most significant medication that contributed to her death, since it is the only one of those that listed that is prescription (chlorpheniramine and L-methamphetamine are both OTC), and more importantly, is the only one of those listed that causes respiratory depression. A death by pneumonia would be ruled a "natural death" by the coroner; since the designation "accident" was chosen, the coroner is indicating a significant (but inintentional) contribution, likely from hydrocodone or combination of hydrocodone/acetaminophen, in causing her death. Chewbaccarawr (talk) 07:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The current version of the article gives the exact wording of the coroner's report. It would be original research to go beyond this, even if you are medically qualified to do so.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Do we need to mention L-methamphetamine? Is there a source specifically linking L-methamphetamine to her death, or a rationale for its mention here? IIRC, the autopsy does not implicate L-meth in the disease process.

Also (@ chewbaccarawr), where are you getting that she was experiencing respiratory depression at the time of death? Was it not, rather, shortness of breath?Trueno Peinado (talk) 04:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

The wording is taken "as is" from the CNN article Cold medicines contributed to Brittany Murphy's death, coroner says. The article does not try to second guess the coroner's report. Most of the people who read the article will not be medically qualified to do this, and one of the aims of this section is to dismiss the rumours that the death was caused by a drug overdose.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Medication

Hi there, What was wrong with the information I added and the source? - Which has been removed

Digital Spy is a reputable source, and the information is useful (it shows she wasn't a drug addict like Jackson or Heath Ledger) - but says the medications could have easily been a secondary cause of death)

Source: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a205371/drugs-found-in-brittany-murphys-system.html

Thanks, Dvmedis (talk) 07:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

There is a better source here from CNN.[11] The Digital Spy report quotes TMZ.com, which is not ideal.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi. It wasn't actually me who removed it - it looks like it was Wildhartlivie. Seeing no edit summary and no obvious problem, I reverted that removal and re-inserted your stuff. Then I thought I'd better check the reference, but for some reason I can't get it - all I get is a heading and the rest of the page blank. I assumed it was a bad link, but I might be wrong and it might just be a problem I have here. Either way, it makes me unable to judge, and so I thought I'd better leave it the way I found it. You might want to leave a note over at User talk:Wildhartlivie -- Boing! said Zebedee 07:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I have re-inserted some of the specific information which I tried to add before. I think it is useful having the exact medications listed, and the quote about them being rather high levels etc. Otherwise it makes it sound like the medications were irrelevant when they could have easily been a secondary cause of death.. (as per report). Dvmedis (talk) 01:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

The list of drugs appears to be over the counter cold remedies, which would not normally be harmful if taken as directed. The wording of the report is somewhat bland and non-committal on this issue: "possible adverse physiological effects of elevated levels of these medications cannot be discounted, especially in her weakened state." The most important thing here is that the rumours that Murphy died from a cocaine overdose or anorexia have been put to rest.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear.. see: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a205712/murphy-prescribed-pills-just-before-death.html - TMZ is reporting that Murphy was prescribed 120 hydrocodone pills 11 days before her death.. and only had 11 pills left. Obviously not going in the article just yet - presumably? Dvmedis (talk) 05:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

As in your first edit to the page, digitalspy is not a reliable source. If she were busily going through 109 hydrocodone tablets, that would have shown up as an exceedingly high level of that drug in her toxicology reports, which it didn't. Had there been, it would have been noted at the time the report was released. Then again, they didn't take toxicology levels from her husband or mom, did they? Please stop trying to prove her death was the result of medication. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:36, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The coroner must have been aware that the media would pounce on any suggestion that Murphy died from a drug overdose like Heath Ledger. The wording of the report makes clear that the primary cause of Murphy's death was pneumonia, and that other factors were secondary. Ledger had taken hydrocodone, but in his case the toxicology report was unambiguous: "We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescription medications."--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Bloody hell, I'm not trying to prove that her death was because she topped herself, or illegal medication - I just thought that it was worth mentioning it on the *discussion* page. I didn't put it in the article. Besides, it has been stated that a *secondary cause* of death may have been accidental 'overdose' of legal cold medicines.- You can't deny that Dvmedis (talk) 15:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

"Possible" is the key word here. It looks like the coroner was covering all the bases, but stopped short of a direct statement that the medication - mostly common cold remedies that can be bought over the counter - was a cause of Murphy's death.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Drive (film)

brittany murphy also acted in a what could be termed more than just supporting role in the 1996 movie "Drive".

This film is listed in the Filmography section. In the article itself we would not mention every film she's ever appeared in, just a selection. Is there any reason why "Drive" should be mentioned? Rodhullandemu 16:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Her role wasn't major, and the film was direct-to-video. Hence it is not worth mentioning, other than in the filmography. Jim Michael (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The Expendables (2010 film)

She is also listed in The Expandables movie IMDB page, I think this should be added to the article. --85.102.211.241 (talk) 20:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Apparently she was written out of the film. [12] Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 21:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Marriage dates

When someone is married when they die, isn't it more usual to say that the span of their marriage was "XXXX to their death", rather than "XXXX to YYYY" which doesn't automatically indicate that they were married at the time of death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.101.110 (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The years of a marriage are stated in the infobox; how it ended isn't. No-one is claiming or implying they divorced. Jim Michael (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Simon Monjack's death

I listed Simon Monjack's death as acute pneumonia and severe anemia. The link to verify is http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/21/simon-monjack-brittany-murphy-cause-of-death-coroner-pneumonia/. Also on the Simon Monjack page on Wikipedia it already said that was the cause of death. I don't know how to add a reference link to a article so maybe someone can do it for me. Thank you.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The main issue here is sourcing. TMZ has a bumpy reputation as far as Wikipedia is concerned, and is not normally considered suitable for citations. There are other news stories with the cause of death, but they are also citing the same TMZ report, eg here. The phrasing "TMZ has learned" suggests a leak or off the record briefing. This may all be correct, but as with Brittany Murphy's death, we should wait until there is an officially published cause of death before adding it to the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok,thats cool. I found another link from CNN-http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/07/21/simon.monjack.autopsy/?hpt=Sbin

This comes from the Simon Monjack Wikipedia page. I don't care for TMZ but they are usually first and correct when reporting stuff so I wish people did not think they were not reliable. And honestly whats the difference between TMZ and CNN's gossip section page on the net? They are both gossip I guess. Anyway thanks for helping me and I will let you add the reference since I don't know how.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 19:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The CNN story here is OK as a source, thanks for finding this. TMZ has had notable scoops, but also notable screw-ups, such as the JFK photo and the "death" of Kimo Leopoldo.[13] This is why it is not suitable for citations in Wikipedia articles.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Mold (or mould for people who use British spelling)

Some news sources reported that viral mold/mould in the home of Murphy and Monjack was a factor in their deaths. This was rejected by Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter, who said "There were no indicators that it was from mold."[14] This should not be added to the article. Interestingly, this again comes back to a report on TMZ [15], and shows why caution is needed when using TMZ as a source. What happened here is that other news outlets picked up on the original TMZ report, but it was not reliable.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:13, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Foundation website?

hi

is this website fake? or does the charity exist http://www.brittanymurphyfoundation.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.213.141 (talk) 11:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

As the article points out, the status of the Brittany Murphy Foundation was initially controversial, as it turned out that it had not been registered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. This article explains how to look up the status of a charity in the USA, and the foundation is registered as Burbank, CA 91502 Category: A25 (Arts Education/Schools). It looks like they now have nonprofit status.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The charity does apparently exist and the website welcomes questions, however I did not receive an answer when I emailed. A record of my email exchange with it's and Sharon Murphy's publicist Roger Neal can be found at [16] (W090584 (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC))

Re: "There have been attempts to recruit editors of specific viewpoints to this article"

"Citation needed" as they say. I'm aware of a post inviting participation, but the site in question has a large number of visitors and no assumption should be made regarding their stance if any.

"Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit"

For existing editors to form a clique and express hostility to new editors could be seen as an attempt to enforce a particular point of view in defiance of neutrality.

It should not be inferred that recruitment of new editors is an attempt to influence a particular article. It could merely be to invite discussion. If Wikipedia debate is not to be transparent and open to the general internet population, it should be password-protected.

In any case, would it be possible to influence a particular article by recruiting those known to hold a certain view? I understand consensus to mean consensus across Wikipedia as a whole

"Disputes on Wikipedia are resolved by consensus, not by majority vote" - Can somebody explain the distinction? (W090584 (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2011 (UTC))

Outside links to Wikipedia discussions are generally frowned on. Actually, inside links to Wikipedia discussions are an exception, rather than a rule. With the millions of people that edit Wikipedia, there's no feasible way for everyone to talk on any issue, so we rely on random samples: if a random group of interested people can come to an agreement, the odds are actually pretty good that it reflects the will of the larger group. The trick is getting a random sample, and any invitations at locations that can be perceived as having a bias can be a problem.—Kww(talk) 14:36, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"Outside links to Wikipedia discussions are generally frowned on" - is there a relevant policy article? "generally frowned on" is vague - is it permissable or not? Who actually decided that it was "generally frowned on" - were they a fair cross-section of Wikipedians? What is the distinction between somebody arriving at a discussion via the link on the relevant article's page versus one from outside Wikipedia? In both cases, the person will probably have searched for the subject of the article and thus may in both cases hold views regarding it which are not necessarily reflected in the general population or consensus across Wikipedia. Thus it is always impossible to arrive at a fair cross section. Based on personal experience, I dispute the claim that the site in question has a bias towards any particular point of view among it's users.

"With the millions of people that edit Wikipedia, there's no feasible way for everyone to talk on any issue" - Granted, but is there no referral process in the case of disputes? You have revealed yourself to me to be an admin, which implies to me some sort of structure. I don't understand how recruiting editors who share my point of view regarding the Brittany Murphy death certificate issue for instance would change the current position. (W090584 (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC))

Notifications are covered by WP:CANVASS. Outside notices are regarded as "stealth canvassing", "stealthy" because it wouldn't be apparent to someone that only looked at Wikipedia. There's a dispute process, certainly: if you think I've done something that exceeds my role as an administrator, WP:ANI is usually the place to start. That's inappropriate for content disputes. WP:DISPUTE covers the basics.—Kww(talk) 16:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"Outside notices are regarded as "stealth canvassing", "stealthy" because it wouldn't be apparent to someone that only looked at Wikipedia." - I arrive at Wikipedia articles via Google searches wherein the article usually occurs in the first two results. Is there any reason to suppose most people search entirely within Wikipedia? I still make the point that the fact that someone has searched a topic within Wikipedia or outside means they are interested in it and thus more likely to hold strong opinions about it. If the article makes contentious assertions, people are going to more motivated to join in if they dispute them, in either case. As regards the stealth aspect, it would be a simple matter to link the post which was inviting participants. Then people could discuss possible bias.

"if you think I've done something that exceeds my role as an administrator" - the point is, as a newbie I don't really know what the role of an admin is. You were evasive on the subject of how you came to be appointed. A distinction needs to be made between a grievance and a simple ruling on whether a certain edit should or shouldn't stand, which was what I was referring to. My question is, what advantage would there be to a person recruiting like-minded editors if the matter has to be referred to the wider Wikipedia community anyway? (W090584 (talk) 16:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC))

"Evasive"? I pointed you directly at WP:Requests for adminship/Kww 4, which is my nomination and selection page. If there's anything about the process you don't understand, follow the links on the page, especially the one called WP:Requests for adminship. Content discussions are generally handled by editors, and editorial discussions take place on Wikipedia talk pages. The talk pages are generally not even indexed through Google.—Kww(talk) 17:11, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"Evasive"? I pointed you directly at WP:Requests for adminship/Kww 4 - Last time you linked it the link had the title "I was appointed as an admin April 20, 2010", thus leading me to suppose that it simply recorded the fact that you were made admin, rather than explaining the process. Being in a hurry to answer your points I neglected to follow it, as is apparent by the rest of my response, wherein I repeat the question. I will do more reading as you suggest (W090584 (talk) 17:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC))

Links to fan sites?

Hi. I made a booru (an image board and image archive optimized for searching via tags) dedicated to Brittany Murphy, and, in this booru, I have 300 images of Brittany, all either *.PNG or *.GIF. If anyone needs to link to a quality image of her, here it is. Also, I'd appreciate it if someone would add a link to the booru, as well as to the fan forum, to this article.

The admin of the fan forum created a web page, Justice for Brittany, which seeks to call attention to the alleged inconsistancies in her death and alleged wrong doing on the part of Brittany's husband and mother. I have no opinion on this matter, since I'm just a fan, but it might be news-worthy and therefore wikipedia-worthy. You decide, you're more qualified than I am.

http://brittany-murphy.booru.org/ <The booru.

http://brittany-murphy.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list <First page of images at the booru.

http://brittanymurphyfans.proboards.com/index.cgi <Fan forum.

http://justiceforbrittany.tumblr.com/ <The "justice for brittany" webpage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiegraf folles (talk • contribs) 18:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Birth certificate

Further to the discussion on my talk page, the JPEG of the birth certificate here is a primary document. Assuming that it is correct, it gives Brittany Murphy's parents as Sharon Murphy and Angelo Bertolotti, which is stated in the article. It looks like a dispute has arisen after Sharon Murphy stated via her publicist Roger Neal on Twitter that Angelo Bertolotti was not the father.[17] This material fails WP:V. I have no affiliation with any of the people involved in this and have tried to act in good faith. This dispute shows the need to stick to material from reliable secondary sources, rather than introducing original research. Caution is also needed when edits are made or proposed by a person who is connected to the subject.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

"Assuming that it is correct, it gives Brittany Murphy's parents as Sharon Murphy and Angelo Bertolotti, which is stated in the article" - stated but not cited, that's the point. If it is necessary to cite the death certificate as evidence of Sharon's full name and identity as Brittany's mother is must surely follow that a similar citation is necessary in the case of her father.

As regards the authenticity of the certificate I return to the point I made on your talk page about citing books. Anyone can check the authenticity of the certificate with the relevant authority in the same way that they would have to make enquiries as to the authenticity of a book citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by W090584 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Whether the tweets or anything else fail any guideline is a matter of interpretation. Unless there is adjudication by an authority one person's opinion is as good as another's.

"I have no affiliation with any of the people involved in this and have tried to act in good faith" - I am willing to accept this assertion although I still feel that in view of your double standard regarding the two certificates partiality would be a credible inference.

"Caution is also needed when edits are made or proposed by a person who is connected to the subject" - Agreed. I have acknowledged my indirect connection to the subject.I would ask you to acknowledge however that the credibility of source material must ultimately be judged on it's own merits and not the degree of partiality of the editor who links it.

I have decided for the moment at least not to push the matter of the tweets if you will accept the birth certificate link (W090584 (talk) 14:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC))

The birth certificate is OK. However, Wikipedia is not in competition with Perez Hilton or TMZ, so it cannot report the latest gossip. WP:SPS makes the use of tweets as citations unacceptable in most circumstances, particularly if a conflict of interest is involved, or if the material is potentially libellous. There is also an issue of notability. Unless the mainstream media reports on the tweets, they would not be considered notable enough for the article. There is a need here for a third opinion, as articles are based on consensus.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

"The birth certificate is OK. However, Wikipedia is not in competition with Perez Hilton or TMZ, so it cannot report the latest gossip" - totally accepted. In this case it was not gossip by a third party but rather a statement by a publicist. I fail to see how that information would be more acceptable if it were for instance subsequently reported by the BBC. Ultimately it is the information which is or isn't credible, not the means by which it is disseminated.

To broaden out the argument I note that your position seems to run contrary to the supposed democracy of Wikipedia and the internet generally. Do we have to get the approval of "mainstream" media before a statement is deemed to be true? What is "mainstream" anyway? While I'm no advocate of Perez Hilton it has to be acknowledged that, within his field at least, he IS now mainstream - witness his number of Twitter followers, hits on his website and general coverage. This is how the internet has changed media. Many bloggers are also credible, knowledgeable journalists. Consider the example of a blogger on politics in Libya for instance - is he not a credible source because his analysis disagrees with that of the "mainstream" government-controlled media? Size isn't everything (W090584 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2011 (UTC))

Wikipedia policies can be amended by consensus. So far, the idea of using blogs (other than ones run by newspapers etc. using their own writers) etc. has never come close to being approved. See WP:RS and WP:NOT for starters. Collect (talk) 14:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I am 100% sure that TMZ would be interested in this, as they have written about it in the past.[18]. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it has to follow rather than lead on media coverage. Why not point out to the tweets to Perez Hilton or TMZ? If they write about it, the chances are that the "mainstream" media will pick up on it as well.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion, alas it seems you are wrong. I have received no response from TMZ despite the obvious relevance to previous coverage such as the alleged denial of Mr Bertolotti's access to the grave site and the fact that Sharon did not issue any statement at that time denying his status as Brittany's father. (W090584 (talk) 17:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC))

She died???? I just saw that on her page, it said she had died!!!!! I went to check if this was vandalism, and it was locked, and this page didn't confirm, but is she really dead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.33.37 (talk) 06:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

YES. Follow the links. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 20:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Filmography

Could you please add 'Double Jeopardy', or as it was later known, 'Victim of the Night'? It is a 1996 movie based on a true story about a cop that murdered his girlfriend for initiating a paternity suit. It was a made for TV movie that had its name changed when it aired on cable TV. Also, via the following link, I noticed other movies missing from your list. Among them are: Family Prayers (1992), Drive (1996), Saturday Night Live (2002), and Spun (2003). A link to some information is here: http://www.fandango.com/brittanymurphy/filmography/p200519 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.1.95.75 (talk) 22:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Can someone with permission please add "I'm Still Here," released in 2005 to Brittany Murphy's filmography? Great documentary about the holocaust and she brings such depth of feeling to the passages she reads. She should be credited with a job well done! 99.20.130.171 (talk) 06:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Shelley Peery

•  Done The IMDb page for this film is here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Can someone also please add megafault (2009) to he filmography. Cheers Sarah Mcleod — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.136.116 (talk) 13:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Megafault is given in the section on TV work.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Error on page for age when she died

I'm not familiar enough to fix this, but wanted to bring it to someone's attention.

December 22, 2009 (aged Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "{")[2]

Thanks, Steve — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swilson317 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

•  Done--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Pictures/photos of Brittany Murphy on wiki page

These photos are by far some of the worst portrayals of Brittany in her life, can someone please post better (i.e. - better portrayals of her as a person; radiant and bright) photos of her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.190.202.30 (talk) 07:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Photos are usually limited by WP:NFCC. There are four to choose from on Commons, which is four more than some celebrities. I think that the images in the article are OK, and of reasonably good artistic and technical quality.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Attended Edison High School in NJ?

I think this is just a case of someone from Edison wanting to claim someone as having done more at the town than she did. The article reads "Murphy was raised by her mother in Edison, New Jersey, where she attended Edison High School." Articles online have indicated that she moved to California at age 13, making it impossible for her to have attended Edison High unless she skipped grades. Furthermore, being only five years younger than Murphy and attending Edison High School, it seems highly unlikely that a recent attendee of the school could have starred in Clueless (released when she was 17)and seemingly no one knew about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.179.229 (talk) 20:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 June 2012

Abandoned (2009) is a TV thriller film directed by Michael Feifer and starring Brittany Murphy, Dean Cain, and Mimi Rogers >

ClaudiaTuttle (talk) 01:39, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Already there -- possibly her last film. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Stil acting in the afterlife?

The page says she died in 2009, yet she starred in a 2012 movie. Please fix this to actual facts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.161.98.76 (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It was filmed before she died. Gimmetoo (talk) 00:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Music

Brittany Murphy also appeared acting on Tears For Fears' song "Closest Thing To Heaven", released in 2004.

Other correction: the "Faster Kill Pussycat" single was not originally released on June 6 2006, but in March 21 at the same year, in US. Several resources related to this single affirmed it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.195.34.29 (talk) 04:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC) 

References 6 & 7 appear to be incorrect

Based on the latest published information from Brittany Murphy's mother (Sharon Murphy), the heavy metals/poisoning is incorrect.

Alwagoner (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

This article in the Los Angeles Times looks at the recent claims and counterclaims, as does this Slate article. There is a forthcoming book about this, and there may be an attempt to promote it. The issues involved need reliable sourcing and a neutral point of view.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:11, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bad Aatu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.158.140.82 (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Methamphetamine, Pulmonary Hypertension and relation to Pneumonia

Methamphetamine can cause an increase in blood pressure including Pulmonary arterial pressure. Although the label information at the FDA does not make an explicit mention of pulmonary edema from methamphetamine and the drug literature credits it with having less peripheral actions than amphetamine the potential mechanism for pulmonary edema is there.

The common feature between pulmonary edema and pneumonia is the filling of the lungs with fluid which causes suffocation. It is known that the "granddaddy" drug of amphetamine and methamphetamine which is epinephrine can cause death by pulmonary edema.

Sources: Guyton and Hall's Textbook of Medical Physiology 9th edition, page 497. Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, 6th edition, pages 146 and 163. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.217.8 (talk) 02:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

This article should be changed to replace the name L-Methamphetamine with Levmetamfetamine because most people don't realize the distinction between L-Methamphetamine and R-Methamphetamine. When people talk about "meth" the drug, they are talking about the right-handed version, whereas the left-handed version is sold over-the-counter in stores, with the ingredient listed as Levmetamfetamine. 68.229.97.100 (talk) 20:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The wording comes from this CNN source quoting the autopsy report directly, which says "Multiple medications were present in the blood, with elevated levels of hydrocodone, acetaminophen, and chlorpheniramine. L-methamphetamine was also present." The coroner said "the pattern of use of these medications suggest treatment of symptoms of a cold or other respiratory infection. Acetaminophen and hydrocodone are components of Vicodin. Chlorpheniramine is the active ingredient in some over-the-counter medications. L-methamphetamine is a component of some inhalers. All of the drugs are legal, the report said." The wording in the Wikipedia article also says "All of the drugs were legal and the death was ruled to be an accident" and doesn't say or imply that the drugs were illegal. Some people may think that meth or amphetamine = illegal drugs, but this is Methamphetamine. I don't think that the current wording in the article is significantly wrong or misleading as all of the drugs are wikilinked for a clearer explanation..--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 21:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

brittany murphy

I don't know if she was born in Atlanta, but nearly all of her early life was in Edison, New Jersey, living with her mother, Sharon. She attended Our Redeemer Lutheran School in Fords, New Jersey with her cousins (Meredith and twins Rebecca and Danielle) through fourth grade and moved out to California from there. Her mother said that she had no agent, but she would "make Brittany a star", and she appeared in some Disney kid shows early on. She also appeared in two wonderful dramatic films, a remake of "David and Lisa" and "The Devil's Arithmetic", based on a kid's book about the Holocaust. I believe that Kirsten Dunst was the star of the latter. Both of these were before "Clueless".24.115.50.57 (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Brittany's father passed away

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You must to include the information that, in January 22 2019, Brittany Murphy's father, Angelo Joseph Benedotti, aka "AJ", was passed away being 92 years-old and after long disease. The source to be considered is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6629765/Brittany-Murphys-father-Angelo-Bertolotti-dies-92-taken-life-support.html.

Don't you forget to include this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:2A73:923E:C1D0:412C:ADA1:48E (talk) 03:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. The source given was the WP:DAILYMAIL, but there is additional sourcing here. His death is not directly related to the topic of this article, which is a biography of Brittany Murphy, so I'm not sure which section of the article to put this information in.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear Ian, Angelo's death is directly related to his daughter's biography, because he was her father. The notice about Angelo's death can be inserted on Brittany Murphy's "Death" section of Wikipedia's article. It's very important to mention the death of her father, nine years and one month after her death. It can be inserted after the following paragraph: "In November 2013, Angelo Bertolotti claimed that a toxicology report showed that deliberate poisoning by heavy metals, including antimony and barium, was a possible cause of Brittany Murphy's death. Sharon Murphy described the claim as "a smear"". A new paragraph have to be written reporting about Angelo's death. The omission of this information can be a several damage and it would be seem so strange to most of Brittany Murphy's fans, as me (although I'm not considering only my points of view). Please, include that information. Thanks for attention.

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Please note: the picture shown at the beginning of the Brittany Murphy article is obviously NOT Brittany Murphy, but rather Brittany Snow. Please correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:4280:2E00:9039:57AC:8167:93ED (talk) 15:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

It's obviously not Brittany Snow and I'm not sure why you would think that. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Former Baptist?

She's under that category, but there's no evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.60.221 (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The article text says "She was raised a Baptist and later became a non-denominational Christian" but unfortunately I can't get either of the cites [19] [20] to work as of April 2020. I've left this in for the time being.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

82.132.224.136 (talk) 07:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The date of birth is wrong if born in 1977 she would not be 32 but 42

•  Not done: She died at the age of 32 in 2009.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2020

Final film role ‘Abandoned’ a suspense drama dated 2010 as per movie description Amazon. 70.51.52.43 (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

This is mentioned in the Filmography section.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 21:07, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2021

Brittany’s sister, Pia Jo Bertolotti, had two daughter. Brittany’s nieces’ are Mali Marola and Karli Marola 107.127.49.44 (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

•  Not done: This seems to have problems with WP:TOPIC and WP:BLPNAME because it doesn't directly involve Brittany Murphy.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Please add The Ramen Girl (2009) to the list of her movies. Reference: Google 2603:6000:AA0A:FD1A:552C:7DCD:BE5D:B90F (talk) 13:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "Just google it" isn't a reference. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Note: Also, it's already in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

The Ramen Girl

Please include this movie in Brittany’s listing since she starred in it. It was released in 2009. Thanks. 2600:1700:2891:4C00:341A:C2E1:4F81:79D4 (talk) 15:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2022

Add Cherry falls teen horror 1999/2000 she plaid in as lead Character 2A00:23C7:E991:1301:8151:F93E:A7D7:B0A7 (talk) 17:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:57, 18 August 2022 (UTC)