Talk:Brodie Lee/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 22:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

• It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
• It contains copyright infringements -
• It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
• It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Prose

Lede

• You don't need to bold every ring name the subject has ever had. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• He was best known for his tenure in WWE, where he performed under the ring name Luke Harper (later simply Harper) from 2012 to 2019 - "was" isn't right. It should still be is, it's not like we no longer think this way. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• The note isn't important about the shortening of the ring name in the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• (Mr.) Brodie Lee - not needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Is Brodie Lee the WP:COMMOMNAME for the subject? A ring name he used for less than a year doesn't seem right. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Yes. After his death, every source talked about him as Brodie Lee. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Huber had also worked on the independent circuit - "had also" isn't needed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Fixed --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• You don't need to put things in brackets if you don't use them such as ROH. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• most notably Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• There is a ridiculous amount of refs in the lede and infobox. See WP:INFOBOXCITE. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:54, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• became a one-time WWE Intercontinental Champion - you can't become a one-time champion, you just win it once. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• Mr. Brodie Lee, revealing himself to be "The Exalted One" - this means nothing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• undisclosed lung issue - you could just say "respiratory" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

General

• likes of Colin Delaney and his real-life brother - don't you think noting that Delaney is his brother is suitable for early life? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• though his style and appearance have also brought comparisons to Bruiser Brody, mistakenly thinking his ring name was derived from Bruiser - who did this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• Throughout his time in RPW, which was later renamed to NWA Upstate and then again to NWA New York, - how is any of this relevant? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• win multiple championships including the heavyweight championship on three separate occasions, the tag team championship once and the television championship once, which he also proceeded to unify with the Kayfabe Dojo Championship - I know what Kayfabe is... This wasn't surely the title of the championship? Also, did he unify the tag belts with a dojo championship? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• According to the source N 10, Lee won the TV title and, days later, unified it with the Kayfabe Dojo Championship. I changed the text a little bit. Also, Kayfabe Dojo Championship is the name of the title. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Huber has described his original "The Right Stuff" gimmick as him "just having fun" and "being a cruiserweight" - he's a big guy, right? How would this make any sense if you didn't know that? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Included in the style and persona section. Also, pointed he is a heavyweight --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Reckless Youth no-showed- WP:SEAOFBLUE. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Done --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• booker Mike Quackenbush - same Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I think a link to booker it's necessary. It's the first time booker is mentioned and no-wrestling fans maybe don't know what a booker is and the power inside the promotion.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• more serious gimmick of a trucker. - if you don't know what a gimmick is, how are you supposed to know what you mean. I'm assuming you mean that the gimmick is more serious than the last one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
• Lee and the Olsen Twins were scheduled to enter the 2008 King of Trios tournament as Team Dr. Keith, but after Colin signed a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), the team was left one man short. A random draw picked Retail Dragon as his replacement, but after he dropped the deciding fall in their opening round match against Cheech, Cloudy and m.c.KZ, Lee turned on him while simultaneously ending his alliance with Jimmy Olsen in the process - this is a large portion not really discussing the subject, and could easily be condensed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Done --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Things like legacy could easily just be part of death. Should be mentioned that if he didn't die of COVID-19, there is no reason to mention it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

• I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
• So the biggest issue in this article is it not being written in an encyclopedic way. Things are written as if the things happening in kayfabe are actual things that have happened, as if he was "bullying smaller wrestlers". It also struggles with WP:proseline issues with a lot of sentences starting "on X date, Lee defeated Y", or "in late X year". The article should be a detailed summary of the subjects career, which doesn't seem to be what happened here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

For these reasons I'm failing the article. I did go through the rest of the article, but I just kept coming up with these issues and it's clear the prose isn't written to GA standard.

I'd suggest a copyedit and to go through and reword to avoid proseline and rewrite from a non in-universe perspective. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)