Talk:Brothers of Italy/Archives/2022/October

Political position

@User:Barlafus: this is not the correct way to act, a user cannot remove information (with edit war) just because he does not agree with it. I don't agree with that political position either, but neutrality comes first: we must report what the sources state. Before removing information from a long-established version of the page you must first find consensus. However no, it is not the same scheme as PCI-PDS-DS: FdI is located more to the right than the National Alliance of the 2000s. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that we should discuss first, but I also agree with User:Barlafus that "far-right" is misplaced in this article's infobox and intro. The FdI party is the latest evolution of the MSI/AN political family and it is surely to the left of AN. Not only the FdI party is a much broader party including more Christian democrats and liberals, but it is its political program to be clearly more moderate than that of AN. --Checco (talk) 06:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Most academic sources vehemently state that FdI is a far-right party and part of the European radical right. They are listed throughout the article. A consensus was already formed about describing it as "right-wing to far-right" in order to cover all that is found in WP:RS. So, as Wikipedia is founded on sources, it's definitely WP:DUE to have "far-right" among the descriptors of the FdI party. Yakme (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

WP:3RR and WP:BRD (optional) exist. I've noticed that EdJohnston noticed this edit warring yesterday; Barlafus did not respond yet. This is clearly a dispute between some editors. We've had a RfC on whether to include neo-fascism in the infobox; it was kept but as a footnote in the infobox. Majority of reliable sources, news and scholar ones, describe FdI as far-right; the consensus is to keep "right-wing to far-right" and this should be only changed via RfC, not with edit-warring. FdI's page is controversial, so I'd suggest to refrain from edit warring and follow WP:BRD instead; this will develop a more healthy environment.

@Checco: If you have any sources that claim that "the FdI party is a much broader party including more Christian democrats and liberals, but it is its political program to be clearly more moderate than that of AN", feel free to present them here. @Barlafus: should read WP:RELIABLE and check WP:RSP; edit summaries such as "there are many leftist sources saying that. But this is an encyclopedia not a political fanzine", "even between the cited “leftist” academic sources", and claiming that certain websites are leftist just because you disagree with the descriptor, are unconstructive, especially when you're edit-warring. Vacant0 (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean I myself was wondering why exactly is the political party not labeled in the initial description as a far right party, despite the article itself actually including a source that classifies them as such. I think info could be slightly reorganized so that the label is stated at the beginning; since for example far right parties tend to be populist anyway so the beginning text is a bit redundant. Chefs-kiss (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC)