Talk:Bruno Ganz

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This article should mention that Bruno Ganz is a high-profile theater actor, probably the most famous of his generation. 87.123.92.119 13:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Wrong picture

The picture in the article from Wings of Desire is not one of Bruno Ganz, but of Otto Sander. --Steerpike 12:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be correct now. --Saforrest 21:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please find alternate image

Ack, we have to find another picture of Ganz. The Hitler picture from Das Untergang is, well, too much like Hitler and too little like Ganz. It is rather like visiting the Tobey Maguire article and seeing him depicted in the Spider-Man face mask. --Saforrest 21:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

There is one film missing from the list

I remember seeing Ganz in Tanner's Dans la ville blanche. See the German article: 1983 In der weißen Stadt (Dans la ville blanche) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Ganz) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.169.159 (talk) 15:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Native Speakers portraying Hitler

He went on to portray Adolf Hitler in Der Untergang (2004), as perhaps only the second native German speaker after Albin Skoda to play Adolf Hitler on screen.

This is not correct IMO. Coming to my mind is only one other (Armin Mueller Stahl in "Conversation with the beast"), but then there might be more. Even so, already the word "perhaps" seems a little out of place here. I'd rather have the whole remark gone (or modified to something along the lines of "...one of few...") than to try to include one by one all movies which may still be revealed. Lbocgn (talk) 02:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

After only a minute of further research I found several others, most recently Tom Schilling in "Mein Kampf" (still in post production as per IMDB), and others more, even not considering satire anf mere documentaries... so, rather delete remakr completely? Lbocgn (talk) 02:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, i removed it now - as even the cited source only speaks of German produced films, not actors, and even then it is not true or at least outdated. Lbocgn (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

What about "The most compelling portrayal of Hitler in a lead role, and the most famous portayal of Hitler in a lead role since Charlie Chaplain. On-screen, Bruno Ganz does not disappear into the personality of Hitler, because for the two-and-a-half-hour running time, he never appears." I think that is more appropriate. Can you find a source for that? Because it's true. 2001:8003:718E:8F00:397B:F12B:3E65:D1E3 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ganz's Languages

I would have liked more information about Ganz's early life, and his parents. One brief but interesting point was that Ganz's mother was a Northern Italian. I'd been a little puzzled by this Swiss actor's beautifully spoken Italian in the film Pane E Tulipani. It seems he must have absorbed the language with mother's milk. Younggoldchip (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

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Day of death and place

Sources differ, and we should probably say so. Some say Friday (night) (NYT, BBC), some say (early hours of) Saturday (SZ, Tagesanzeiger), some say during the night (FAZ, 20min.ch, later), some don't give any such information (Guardian), just say informed Saturday (20min.ch, hollywoodreporter.com). It probably also depends on where the source was written. IMDb is not considered reliable. I read early on Saturday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:09, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Concerning the sources in French, most citing Agence France-Presse say: during the night from Friday to Saturday. It appears that some sources also mentioning AFP simplified this to Saturday, but that's just a potentially incorrect simplification. FYI, I had done a submission to IMDb with sources giving the date 16 February (these were the first ones I got), but it got declined saying that these sources did not constitute enough evidence. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 18:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

hollywoodreporter.com says: "died Friday evening". Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 18:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Deutsche Welle says he "died overnight to Saturday in his home in Zurich, [Switzerland], according to German media". —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support: We should write in the article that it is not clear whether Ganz died on the 15th or the 16th because of the many reliable sources' different claims. —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 21:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

The latest ref supports 16, which I read anyway. We could make a footnote that early announcements had 15. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

There was a similar discussion recently at Talk:June Whitfield. If someone dies during the night, it's not always possible to know exactly when they died. They may only be discovered the following morning. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

But then, why does hollywoodreporter.com say "Ganz's management confirmed that the Swiss actor died Friday evening at his home in Zurich [...]"? This seems quite accurate information. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

However, it is blick.ch (a more recent source) that gives the most details, and that would be 16 February around 2:00. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 00:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Vincent Lefèvre: Where is the text that says "16 February around 2:00"? —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 00:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

"Kurz nach zwei Uhr nachts [...]" So, that's a bit after 2:00. And this implies that the date is 16 February, since the death occurred during the night from Friday to Saturday. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 01:09, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure why any publication would give a pretty exact time unless they had a very good source. It's not as if there is a clear "dispute" over the day, it's more use of imprecise language, in perhaps the earliest reports? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it seems some journalists try to simplify, transforming "during the Friday-Saturday night" to either just Friday, or just Saturday. Some journalists introduce poetry or whatever. For instance, liberation.fr says "un samedi d’hiver ensoleillé" ("a sunny winter Saturday"), but at the time of the death, then was certainly no sun yet; this introduces confusion. For the place, most sources say "Zurich", but I don't think this necessarily means the city itself; it could implicitly be the region around Zurich, thus does not contradict the village of Au, in Wädenswil. Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 11:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Vincent Lefèvre: It's still not clear where he died. Swiss Television said he died "in his flat in Zurich". I try to reach his living community for an answer, i come back with the result. So far I deleted Au in the article.[1] KurtR (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

He died on Friday, February 15, 2019 according to his family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.189.88 (talk) 22:33, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source. —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 23:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed: Bruno Ganz died on February 16 [Swiss time] in the (municipality) of Wädenswil, according to them. The media reports all says he died at his home, he lived in Au. Au is a village and a quarter of Wädenswil. Zurich is wrong. So only two media reports are right: nzz.ch and blick.ch. I will edit the article now. cc Vincent Lefèvre. --KurtR (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

So surely the imfobox and the text should both say: "Au, Wädenswil"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

The official place of death is Wädenswil because Au belongs to Wädenswil and Wädenswil is the municipality. BTW can you or @Vincent Lefèvre check my edit especially because English is not my mother tongue, thanks! Update: just see you are doing it already great. --KurtR (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

What the hell is that picture??

Is it just me seeing a disgusting picture at the top of the page?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:DE25:4200:9193:61F7:B6B:78CE (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Some troll obviously keeps vandalizing the top of this page with the so-called Goatse image! -.- --46.93.158.170 (talk) 18:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

No, we see it, revert it, see it, revert it, - vandalism. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

who's the fword who keeps vandalizing the picture?

It's a vandal who is adding the image for mockery. No doubt that it was probably because Ganz's Hitler in downfall became a meme. Report the user to a moderator, or get this page temp-protected from disruptive IPs. -NowIsntItTime^{(chats)(doings)} 20:55, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think you may be conferring considerably more thinking ability on this vandal than they actually possess. The same disruptive posts have occurred at many places that just get a lot of attention. The IP address concerned has been blocked by User:Amorymeltzer for one week. The article has also been semi-protected by User:DragonflySixtyseven. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Lead section

I don't think the lead section is too long. It seems about right to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackay97 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

It's more than half as long as the whole career section.. also there's stuff in there that isn't even mentioned in the body of the article. FMSky (talk) 14:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

That should certainly be moved out, or at least copied into main body. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)