Talk:Bucium

Dacian origin?

I would like a reference for that. Is there any ancient source or archeological discovery which suggests this? bogdan 16:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there are. That the tulnic is of dacian origin, is a consensus among ethnographers. Even the etymology, tulnic is of Dacian origin. And the other name, bucium, from latin bucinum/boca ("mouth"), shows that the usage of this instrument is from ancient times... The third etymolgy, trambita, is of slavic origin. Of course, in slavic languages, trambita does not mean an alphorn, but it simply means trompet (and more than that, the slavic word is tronbica, a form clearly different than that of the hutsuls trembitsa, which is more simmilar to the Romanian trambitsa). This is, of course, a newer borrowing (probable from the hutsuls, as these had swoled back after being linguistically slavicised). A hutsul (whatever the origins of the hutsuls are) origin of the bucium is very unlikely, as it`s spread is along the entire Carphatian arch, from Mehedinti, to Tara Motilor, and to Maramures... 18:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Tulnic is indeed a word of uncertain origin, but until there's a proof it's from Dacian, we can't say we know its origin. bogdan 18:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

From the web

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Buciumul (buccina) de lemn ori de metal, în formă dreaptă mai îngust la partea în care se sufla şi mai larg la cealaltă extremitate, a fost la început un instrument pastoral de muzică. După cum scrie Pausania, buciumul a fost inventat de fiul lui Tyrsenos, adică de pelasgii turseni . Cu buciumul se anunţau în armata română cele 4 veghii ale nopţii şi cu buciumul se da, în vechime, semnalul la luptă. In sunetul fluierelor si al buciumelor se dărâmau în timpurile vechi oraşele . La românii din munţii Bucovinei, buciumul se mai foloseşte încă până astăzi ca instrument de muzică şi de anunţare. Un astfel de bucium era făcut din 2 bucăţi de mesteacăn, scobite, lipite cu răşină, învelit pe deasupra cu fâşii de mesteacăn în spirale, având o lugime de aprox. 3 m şi o lărgime de 13 cm în diametru, la extremitatea pe unde se emite sunetul.

Buciumul recurbat (lituus). Columna lui Traian ne reprezintă mai de multe ori un instrument de semnale militare ale dacilor în forma unui tub lung, drept, şi recurbat la capătul pe unde se emite sunetul. Această parte din urmă se termina în un cap de balaur cu gura deschisă şi cu o coamă lungă. După forma sa, acest instrument de semnale a trebuit să producă un sunet strident şi înfiorător. Un bucium recurbat de aceeaşi formă, însă, fără figura capului de balaur, a fost descoperit la Tattershal, comitatul Lincoln din Anglia, probabil de la trupele dace ce au fost transferate aici. Acest exemplar este de aramă şi aurit.

Roman origin? (or Dacian origin, and borrowed from/to the Romans?): LITUUS: (lit. 'crooked') The Romans used the word in two senses. A. A short curving staff, hooked at the end, used by augurs to mark out a sacred space for the observation of birds. B. An alternate term for a 'carnyx', a long trumpet with a curved end. [2]

It also appears that these kind of instruments were found throught Europe, including central Europe (from where the modern Alpenhorn =a new possble origin???), to Britania (the Picts if I remember well, had simmilar long zoomorfic trompet-like instruments...) 18:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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