Talk:Buffalo wing/Archive 1

Archive 1

I do not see the relevance of the link to Zen Lunatics at the end of this article. Unless someone objects, I would delete it later. Tomos 23:03, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The origin of the buffalo wing is disputed - Calvin Trillin offers a long discussion in one of his books. Would this fact (once I get my hands on which book and chapter) be an appropriate one to add? Crayfish

BTW, if you're going to visit Buffalo and have time for only a single wing place, make it Duff's. Anchor wings cost more, are crappier, and the place is touristy. Duff's is an old-school wing dive, and what you don't pay for in ambience you get in the best damn wings in Buffalo, which are the best damn wings in the known universe.

On the other hand, I would contest that Duff's Famous Wings contain far too much vinegar and makes the wings terrible. The ideal wings should be sweet & spicy, NOT sour & spicy. Duff's wings causes you to be thirsty and result in higher beer sales and lower satisfaction for wing connoisseurs. I believe people think these wings are good because of the psychological effect of reading the words "Famous Wings" in authentic looking font.

Map to Duff's

I second that Anchor is not worth the trip and that Duff's is the real deal. I propose that Anchor be only referenced with respect to the origin of the wing, not a good place to get some. We wouldn't want visitors going to Anchor and getting the wrong idea. franco

I have to disagree with you two, and point out a common misconception. Often, Duff's are smacked with way too much sauce, which tends to mask the flavor and the delicate balance between the crispy fried wings and the tangy sauce. As for the Anchor Bar, I've been there on busy days and slow days and some of the best wings I've had in my life were there on a slow day, and some of the worst ever on a busy day. The Anchor Bar's pizza is just average for the area, which also means better than most other places in the country. While there's the potential to have a good meal at both places, you can find even better wings and pizza in the Falls. 24.7.141.45 18:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I would vote for the Anchor bar on taste but agree on the tourist factor. It is THE place to get wings and the buffalo atmosphere. Often there is live jazz on the weekends, and the flavor is great. Prices are more expensive for other foods but I never noticed a major difference in wing prices to Duff's. Duff's are not bad wings just not the best, it also tends to be the place where people who grew up outside of Buffalo go when they don't know of anyplace better. Another point that should be mentioned is the local place around the corner, probably has better wings than them both. They both try very hard to be the best. ~sbrof

The problem with listing out anything other than the Anchor bar and maybe Duffs, is we don't want the article turning into a list of places to get wings in Buffalo. Otherwise, it would just grow into a list of a pizza, sub and wing shops in Buffalo. Besides, in my opinion.... neither Duffs or the Anchor Bar serve great wings. For that you have to go to (insert favorite local place here). --162.119.240.103 21:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I just returned from visiting friends in Buffalo and naturally had to try both Duff's and Anchor Bar. I found that Duff's medium is the same as Anchor's hot, just as the waitstaff at Duff's says. Aside from that, I found them both to be excellent examples of Buffalo Wings. Duff's wings had a sharper bite to them, and a lot of flavor. The Anchor wings had quite a bit less sauce (that is to say, they weren't swimming in it) and somehow had a more subtle taste that really impressed me. I'm attributing that to different quality & quanitites of vinegar. After all is said and done, if you're visiting Buffalo and want to get some good wings, stop by Anchor Bar to taste the fine exquisite taste that the original provides. Then go over to Duff's and load up on wings that will really knock your socks off with a touch less flavor but a lot more zing. - Ioldanach

To hell with yankees and their "Buffalo Wings"! The best damn chicken wings in the world are found in Sammy's Deli in Columbia, SC.

A "buffalo wing" is something specific, a "chicken wing" is something else.Dcarr350 03:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I hear "chicken wings" alot more than i hear "Buffalo wings" and i think renaming the article to chicken wings would be more appropriate. --Dallin Tanjo22 03:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

In the Western New York area chicken wings are known as "wings". If anyone refers to them as "Buffalo Wings" we generally know that they are visiting from out of town.

But how can you differentiate wings cooked in other ways from deep-fried-wings-in-vinegar-and-spicy-sauce if you simply call "Buffalo wings" wings? OR americans have no other way to prepare their wings? ;P

Around the Western New York area if we want wings prepared in another mannner, we just say barbauce wings, baked wings, etc. For me personally, I would perfer to hear "Buffalo Style Wings" to "Buffalo Wings" Shinerunner 22:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Notes and Queries

Buffalo wings have 'flown' across the Atlantic at least - where in the UK and several parts of Europe to my knowledge, Buffalo wings are known to be a particular type of spicy chicken wing, as distinct from 'southern-fried', 'jerk', or plain chicken wings. I query the statement "wings are chicken wing sections (called flats and drum sticks)". Is this actually so? I ask because amongst English-speakers in Europe, 'drumsticks' are the cooked chicken leg, rather than the wing. There is no information about the dietary qualities of Buffalo Wings. Are they particularly calorific, full of polyunsaturates etc as I suspect? Centrepull (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

We use the term "drumstick" in regards to chicken wings do to the resembleance to the chicken leg. As far as I know, chicken wings are considered high in calories due to the deep frying Shinerunner (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

South Campus close to the Anchor Bar?

By what criteria is UB's South Campus close to the Anchor Bar? The Anchor Bar is downtown, while South Campus is in the extreme northeast of the city. I mean, it's not like an epic journey or anything, but I'd be willing to bet that South Campus is closer to Duff's than it is to the Anchor Bar.

This page is making me hungry, by the way. I grew up in Buffalo and while you can now get pretty good wings elsewhere, there ain't nothin' like a Buffalo wing. I would dispute the above comment, by the way: I think the Anchor Bar's wings are meatier, and the sauce more flavorful, than Duff's. --Jfruh 20:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Depends, Anchor bar is only about a 8 minute subway ride from South Campus. Which means you can enjoy your wings and beer, Duffs someone has to drive often to find there are no seats avaiable (since it is smaller). ~sbrof

Move Page

I would like to suggest that this page is moved from 'Buffalo Wings' to 'Chicken Wings' --T-rex 17:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I would disagree. There are ways of preparing chicken wings (with BBQ sauce, for instance) that takes them out of the "Buffalo wings" category. --Jfruh 15:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Which is why I think that 'Chicken Wings' would be more appropriate. --T-rex 16:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Right, but this article is about Buffalo wings specifically. --Jfruh 16:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Not all chicken wings are buffalo wings, so this article should continue to be called "buffalo wings". Buffalo wings mean a specific thing: Wings in hot sauce, w/ blue cheese. Rhobite 20:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

No, for example it is posible to have barbacue buffalo wings. There isn't a contradiction there. Buffalo Wings refers to the way in which the chicken is cooked, not by the type of sause that is used to cover them.

I disagree. When most people think of "buffalo sauce" or "buffalo flavor" (which is now on more stuff than just chicken wings) they think of the original Buffalo Wing sauce -- a combination of cayenne pepper, butter, and garlic. --Jfruh 20:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

More people know them as chicken wings. It should be renamed.--Dallin Tanjo22 22:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Wings are available either with butter sauce OR barbeque sauce mixed with the hot sauce in many pizza places around Buffalo (if not in it; I'm not sure about that. Ie, Blasdell's Pizza, Eden Seafodd, etc ...) And though people in Buffalo usually call them chicken wings, it does not make them that generic. A chicken wing is a chicken wing whether it is cooked "buffalo-style" or still feathered and attached to a live chicken. "More people" are outside Buffalo and therefore know them as Buffalo wings, NOT chicken wings. Only die-hard Buffalo residents refer to them as "chicken wings."

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This article is currently titled "Buffalo Wings," but it is also the redirect of chicken wings. Accordingly, unless someone wants to develop a separate "Chicken Wings" article, arguments that the two are distinct are unavailing.

Nonetheless, it may (or may not) be the case that the title of the joint article should be chicken wings (versus buffalo wings). Given that there is a redirect, I don't think it much matters except for issues of pride. For what it is worth, here far from Buffalo, as many people refer to this product as "wings," "chicken wings," or "hot wings" as refer to it as "buffalo wings." I think the era of a strong association with Buffalo is quickly fading.

Cka3n 08:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That is simply not true. Go to a local supermarket, want chicken wings with orange sauce? They will be called BUFFALO wings. Want a chicken sandwich with orange sauce..again, BUFFALO. Order some chicken wings from Pizza Hut, want orange sauce?..BUFFALO. The buffalo wing and the chicken wing are two entirely different entities. This article is an article about the former.

Buffalo wing refers to the sauce and to some degree the service. That is it. It is the way it is made and the way it is served with BLUE CHEESE that turns a Chicken Wing into a Buffalo Wing. Chicken wings have been around forever, BBQ wings have been around forever, Hot wings are a derivative of Buffalo wings. Whether people know them somewhere as a wing or something else, if it is prepared the way outlined on the page it is a BUFFALO wing. There are copy cats, there are people who don't know what the difference is and people trying to sell the Buffalo name. If it isn't prepared the way described, tasting almost the same, with a variation in heat and few different twists it is not a BUFFALO CHICKEN WING. Moreover, if it is served with ranch, the wing wont change, but the combination isn't the best or should I say most Authentic. Nevertheless, avid Buffalo wing and blue cheese eaters often run out of blue cheese leaving just the wing. The Buffalo wing. Dcarr350 03:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone please give some evidence that the association with the city of Buffalo is fading. I think the point is that the term "Buffalo Wings" refers to the deep-fried chicken wing covered in the hot sauce/butter sauce served with bleu cheese sauce on the side and named after the city in which they were invented (Buffalo), all of this distinguishing them from other types of chicken wings, e.g. BBQ wings, hot wings (a derivative, as stated above) etc. The fact that we (area natives) simply refer to them (out of familiarity) as "chicken wings" or just "wings" does not really merit a name change to the much broader term "Chicken Wings" in my opinion. It's like a person from New York City going into a pizzeria in New York City and asking for a "New York Style Pizza". Does that really ever happen? 24.7.141.45 18:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

BUFFALO WINGS: I have lived in Buffalo my entire life. These things were talking about here are "Buffalo Wings". Before Buffalo Wings, no one ate "wings", they were thrown out as scrap waste. The whole idea of turning these left over wings into a food item themselves is "Buffalo Wings". The only place they're not "Buffalo Wings" is in Buffalo, we dont reference our city when calling them, we just refer to them as wings or sometimes chicken wings. Outside of Buffalo these things are called by there true, outside of buffalo name, "Buffalo Wings". So yes the page should be titled "Buffalo Wings", but of course mention that in Buffalo itself they are just "wings".

best wings

Buffalo wings are definitely best in upstate New York--crispier and not as "wet" or undercooked like you typically get in California. I lived in the area around Utica, New York back in 1984 when I attended Hamilton College. A friend of mine in the dorm bet everyone that he could eat 25 wings without stopping for celery or fluids. He knocked back 47 "hot" wings before practically passing out. Ah, the glories of youth.

Im suprised you even found wings that far from buffalo, although they really shouldn't be crispy --T-rex 23:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, they're everywhere now. You can get them at a Hard Rock Cafe, even outside of the U.S. Rhobite 01:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but else where they suck --T-rex 03:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

They sure SHOULD be crispy. Anchor Bar wings are crispy (the skin). Wings everywhere else are a soggy mess.

So very true. I've been all over North America, and I believe that once you get 20 miles away from the Niagara River on either side of the border, the wings are nothing close to being good. There are some amazing wings on the Canadian side of the border, in Niagara Falls in particular, of the same delicious Buffalo style. There's nothing quite like that 'crunch' you get when biting into a properly cooked wing. The sauce should be moist, the skin crispy yet not burnt, and the meat inside cooked. There's nothing worse than a dry wing or those baked wings that they try to pass off elsewhere in Canada. Snickerdo 04:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

the best chicken wings i have ever had are at the nine-eleven (name has nothing to do with the terror attacks, they had that name since 1983) tavern, on South Park, and Bloomfield in South Buffalo.

There are good wings all over Buffalo the best are definitely not from Anchor bar. Anchor bar is the original "Buffalo" wing but the title of best wings could go to any one of many local establishments you will never hear of. The sad thing is that people abuse the Buffalo name and slander it by mispreparation. Travelling all over the country trying them everytime they are offered becomes a disappointing event. However, the taste fades and you get used to the lack of authenticity.

Anchor bar is a theme place with OK food and it isn't really touristy as Buffalo isn't really supported by tourism. It is a good time with a happy crowd. Some of the best places to get wings might land you in a dicey situation as some areas in Buffalo lack the "hospitality" factor.Dcarr350 03:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

varations

A line about Buffalo Fingers also known as Boneless Buffalo Wings should also be included. Joncnunn 17:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think this would be more appropriate on the chicken fingers page --T-rex 18:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually I found that wikipedia lacked an article on chicken fingers. So I created it and did include Boneless Buffalo Wings. --T-rex 20:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that the fact that the archtypical wing sauce (cayenne pepper sauce, white vinegar, butter, salt, and garlic) is now almost always called simply called "Buffalo sauce" or "Buffalo flavoring" -- even by people who don't associate it with the city or chicken wings -- deserves more than the passing mention it gets up front. A little section on this topic perhaps could explain the origin of things like "boneless Buffalo wings". --Jfruh 21:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Who the heck calls chicken fingers "boneless buffalo wings"? Geographically? ~MDD4696 02:41, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

"Chicken Fingers" are of US (Southern) origin, but unless otherwise mentioned, are not cooked in any sauce, but are instead dipped in a wide varity of sauces post-cooking. The first time I heard "Buffalo fingers" was at a pub in St Charles, MO. [Southern & Northern traditions crossing.] They offered both the original butter dip & ranch sauce. Another midwest chain restraunt with origins in the St Louis area calls the same thing "Boneless Buffalo Wings." I've eaten "Buffalo Wings" often, but after I got braces was unable to eat them, but could have "Buffalo Fingers" and loved them. Joncnunn 20:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Everywhere outside of the WNY area that I've encountered wings have always been terrible. And part of the reason is the fact that people insist on breading them. DO NOT BREAD YOUR WINGS. That turns them into a gloppy mess. Which reminds me, that link to "how to make hot wings" has to be nixed. Why? Breading. Anyone who has ever worked at a pizza joint in WNY knows that you don't bread them. [unknown user]

I'd agree with you on many of the "home made" ones with breading; but the professionals who know what their doing results will still taste like proper wings. Jon 15:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

In Buffalo, growing up, chicken fingers came hot, medium or mild. Outside Buffalo, they come plain with dipping sauce. One interesting note is that although chicken fingers in Buffalo aren't called Buffalo fingers but served sauced and with blue cheese, you will find the chicken sandwich in Buffalo to be named a Buffalo chicken sandwich. It is named this way in Buffalo and often referenced as "Buffalo style" chicken sandwich. Conversely, just a "chicken" sandwich is served plain with no sauce. So the discussion on how people in Buffalo don't use the reference "Buffalo" when ordering applies only to wings and fingers and doesn't carry over into other chicken products.Dcarr350 04:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

In a rather odd coincidence, I saw last night that there was no image for this article, so I decided to take a trip to Duff's to shoot some pictures of wings... and when I come back and upload the picture, there's one there! I added mine too, it's not very good (Duff's is infamously a dark restaurant). Feel free to alter it. --Varco 05:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

God damn you people, as if editing this page doesn't make me hungry enough, now you go and add high-res pictures of chicken wings! So .... delicious ... (drool) --Jfruh (talk) 05:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

They were delicious indeed... and now I want more after staring at that picture while tweaking it.. --Varco 05:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Other chicken wings?

Right now, Chicken Wings redirects here. Chicken wings served Buffalo-style (meaning with a red, pepper-based sauce) predominate in the U.S. However, the hot-wing "market share" is less and less as time goes on (consider, e.g., sauceless wings like grilled chicken wings or Nashville-style "hot chicken" chicken wings or non-traditional sauces like cajun wings).

Should the separate chicken wings article be revived? Should this article have a subsection referring to other wings? Probably Buffalo Wings, as a subset, should redirect to Chicken Wings, not vice versa (especially as even considering only the Buffalo-style wing, it is less and less the case that people call that sauce Buffalo sauce as opposed to hot wings or similar variants).

University at Buffalo

Shouldn't this be either SUNY-Buffalo or UB? Right now, it seems only confusing.

Duff's and Anchor Bar

I've never been anywhere near Buffalo, and I'm not the editor that added the prior references, but I've heard of both Duff's and Anchor Bar. My impression is that they are the most famous of the Buffalo wings restaurants (indeed, as the article notes, many believe that the Anchor bar introduced the modern wing). I did some google research to find some sources, and I reintroduced the two restaurants with more circumspect language.

Cka3n 04:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Preparation

The bit about cayenne sauce, vinegar, garlic etc. should be deleted and it should simply be hot sauce and butter as the original wing sauce was just franks red hot sauce and butter.

Quite true. The thickness and 'stickyness' of the sauce can be varied by the amount of butter added or by adding a sugar/vinegar mixture. Snickerdo 23:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. Frank's isn't available everywhere globally, and a description of the ingredients is needed to provide enough context for non-North American readers. And we cite Frank's in the "History" section anyway. Susan Davis 15:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Anchor bar, Frank's Hot Sauce, and other unsourced claims

We need better sources for these claims. The Frank's Hot Sauce website isn't quite a reliable source for this info. It's in their commercial best interest, of course, to claim this. And I don't believe that chicken wings were EVER just thrown away! wikipediatrix 20:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

As late as the 1970s, Big Boy restaurants advertised their chicken with "no wings!" as one of the selling points. I've added a couple more references about how wings got started, but the fact that it happened at Anchor in Buffalo in the 1960s is very well established. Susan Davis 15:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

There's mention here of 'Rootie's Pump Room' and elsewhere on Wikipedia Rudy's Pump Room. Perhaps someone who knows could clear up the confusion! Wavehunter 16:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It's possible--indeed, likely--that the Anchor Bar came up with wings before anyone else, but I don't think it should be presented as a fact. Obviously they've won the PR battle over who invented the Buffalo wing, but that doesn't make it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.150.249.99 (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed

The exact date is in dispute, as even the sources listed here differ. It probably shouldn't be in the article. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Famous Wings

I noticed Wing Zone is a "See Also" link. Should we add all franchises specializing in buffalo wings?

• Anchor Bar
• Buffalo Wild Wings
• Duff's
• [Drovers Inn]
• Fricker's
• Hooters
• Lone Star Wings
• Mo-Joes Wings
• Native New Yorker Restaurant
• Planet Wings
• Rooster's
• Wingers Grill and Bar
• Wingman Wings
• Wings Over
• Wings-Pizza-N-Things
• Wings To Go
• Wingstop

Buffalo Centric?

Bearing in mind that Buffalo is the source... most people around the country now eat (or think they eat) Buffalo wings. The article does nothing to reflect that. For example, the vast majority of Buffalo wings I've ever had are breaded, but calling that "improper" and claiming it's "a minority" is misrepresenting the fact that the style is (1) very common and (2) preferred by some. Also, aside from the slighting of most other types of wings is the fact that there's a massive market for them elsewhere for example, Hooter's are quite famous for their wings. -MichiganCharms 17:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I've removed "a minority" since I agree that is completely unverifiable. As for "improper", that word was only used in the phrase "improperly prepared"; it did not seem to indicate that breaded wings are improper per se. I also mentioned "taverns outside of Buffalo", because no Buffalo "tavern" would be caught dead serving a breaded wing! :-)

Personally, being from Buffalo, I had no idea breaded wings were so popular elsewhere. I was in Boston recently and ordered Buffalo wings, and I was shocked to learn they were breaded. They were OK, but I'll take the non-breaded kind any day of the week.

Anyway, I poked around a bit, and found a website that referred to non-breaded as "Buffalo wings" and breaded as "hot wings", though I don't know if that's definitive. But in general, I've found that the "Buffalo" moniker increasingly applies to anything with the hot sauce flavoring of traditional Buffalo wings, regardless of whether it's breaded, or even if it's an actual wing. I think the variations section properly reflects this, though if you spot more POV feel free to be bold and fix it. ATren 03:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't think the hot wing's for breaded thing is standard, though I have seen breaded wings referred to as Detroit Wings. I have an idea on how the section could work better, if anyone has an issue just revert -MichiganCharms 05:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. Being from Buffalo, I never heard of a breaded buffalo wing. No one here would EVER serve a "buffalo" chicken wing breaded. A breaded wing is just a piece of chicken, something you might find at KFC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.171.8 (talk) 08:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

NY is its own hero

It's interesting how all this argument has gone into which of some tiny New York grotto the wing was supposedly invented in.....yet no one seems to remember that wings and other skinned 'bits' have been spiced and sauced by southern US cultures since the 1800's. But what the hey, the world revolves around New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.78.253 (talk) 16:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh snap you're right, good catch! Can someone add the fact that the world revolves around New York? After that, can we remove this section for being pointless? If you have something you'd like to add to the article, by all means add it and make sure it's properly sourced. If you have some original research on the subject, I'd love to read it. Barely bean 12:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I know! It's fricking amazing that an article about a food/recipe invented in and popularized by New York would so selfishly and callously revolve around New York! Talk about the nerve! 68.198.153.243 12:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Mmmmmmmmm..........

Aahhhhhhhhhhh... Yummy!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ReluctantPhilosopher (talk • contribs) 16:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Er ..

Is the "weasel words" tag supposed to be a joke or something? Amit@Talk 16:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Spiciest wings

I have heard that there is a place, maybe in Pittsburgh, that offers a cash prize or money back for anyone who can eat an entire basket of their spiciest wings. Very few people are able to do it. I'd like to add this to the article, but can't find anything about this online. Does anyone have any knowledge of this? Badagnani 05:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

As far as Pittsburgh goes, Fat Head's on Carson Street offers a certificate (and recognition on a "wall of fame") for anyone eating an entire order of their spiciest, but there isn't any money involved. Susan Davis 06:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Holy cow, I should have been prepared for the fact that you guys would be experts in this field! Do you think this merits a mention, if there's a newspaper source or two? From the person who told me about this, a lot of people *think* they can do it, but the number of people who actually are able to do it is fairly small. Badagnani 06:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC) Here's something I just found:

"in pittsburgh, the best wings in the city can be found at a place called Fat Heads. they make you sign a piece of paper when ordering their hottest wings that states they're not liable to whatever happens to you after you eat them. they starting doing that after one guy got himself a heart attack after only one bite."[1]

But this one might be the one I was thinking of:

"It's been YEARS since I paid a visit to Sharon to partake in some of their delicious wings, but it was at the Quaker Steak and Lube I fell in love with wings. No one makes them better. This is the place that made you sign a waiver so you could eat just 3 (and no more) of their hottest wings. And they were serious about the waiver."[2] Badagnani 07:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, got it. From the Quaker Steak and Lube article:

"One of Quaker Steak's gimmicks is its wing sauce flavors. The wing sauces are often depicted on the Scoville scale. The hottest flavor is the "Atomic Sauce" which is made from the habanero chile. The Atomic flavor is sold individually in a dropper bottle which is in turn sealed inside an oversized childproof prescription container to further the advertising gimmick. In fact, the Atomic flavor is so hot that the customer must sign a waiver form before ordering them, freeing Quaker Steak from any liablity and/or prosecution."

Can we add this to the article? Badagnani 07:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Another place that is asking customers to sign a waiver: link. Badagnani (talk) 08:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Trivia/In Popular Culture section

Massive blanking without consensus

This massive blanking removed several important pieces of information about this food, including the fact that Buffalo wings are eaten competitively, and the origin of the belief that they are the actual wings of buffalo (i.e. bison). Please discuss. Badagnani 22:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I support the removal of trivia or "In popular culture" sections from this article, and from other articles. If any information is removed that is important enough, then it should be added directly the main article, not the trivia section. Looking over the deleted text, I see only one sentence that falls under this category-- the clarification that Buffalo wings are not buffalo meat. I will add it to the article. --Ben James Ben 02:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

After thinking about it for a while, I think that I'll stand back from this issue. If someone wants to re-add the section to the article, please do. I won't revert the addition. I note that a lot of trivia and "In popular culture" sections tend to make articles worse as it seems to be an invitation for people to add unnoteworthy information. However, the Buffalo Wings article didn't contain as much of this cruft as other articles. I think that the most-noteworthy topics that should remain are 1. information about the Buffalo wings name and confusion with the animal, 2. influence of wings in the names of things in the Buffalo area, 3. possibly wings as a widely-known eating competition food item (although I tend to agree with a previous comment that wings aren't especially significant in this regard). --Ben James Ben 14:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Section challenged: In popular culture

Buffalo wings have nothing to do with the buffalo or American bison. This misconception was played for humor on an early Bartles & Jaymes commercial ("To be honest, I didn't even know that they could fly"), and was later demonstrated when Jessica Simpson told a friend "I don't eat buffalo" when asked why she didn't order them on an episode of Newlyweds. During the 1990s, Domino's Pizza promoted Buffalo Wings by advertising commercials featuring a winged buffalo. The logo of the American franchise restaurant Buffalo Wild Wings, which is known for its Buffalo wings, features a winged buffalo as well.

The web comic Order of the Stick features an episode where the characters go to a restaurant and Belkar insists on having buffalo wings from an actual winged buffalo, unwittingly angering such a creature dining in the next stall. [3]

The Buffalo Wings were also a professional roller hockey team in Buffalo from 1997-1999. An amateur hockey league currently operates as the Buffalo Wings.

Channel 67, an affiliate of the Retro Television Network in Buffalo, has the call letters WNGS, sounded out as wings.

In the 2001 movie Osmosis Jones, Frank is excited to attend a wing festival in Buffalo, New York. The National Buffalo Wing Festival is held every Labor Day weekend in downtown Buffalo, NY, at Dunn Tire Park.

In 2005, Buffalo wings earned notoriety among the sports world when rising-star athlete Sidney Crosby admitted to reporters that he "despised" Buffalo wings, while speaking before a game which matched his Pittsburgh Penguins against the home team Buffalo Sabres. Crosby's remarks sparked an intense rivalry among the teams. Ironically, western Pennsylvania has a thriving culture of Buffalo-style wings, with local interpretations of the dish served in most taverns. A number of regional chains (such as Quaker Steak and Lube) specialize in wings and their attendant cuisine.

Buffalo-style chicken wings are frequently used in competitive eating events, such as Philadelphia's Wing Bowl.

The above section is challenged as being non-encyclopedic (trivia) and largely without sources, the only exception being a non-notable web comic *sigh* -- Polls are evil, but what is it that the COMMUNITY would like done with this portion of the article? Please note that we cannot restore it without valid, reliable sources. Thanks, Burntsauce 23:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I love buffalo wings! </OFFTOPIC> Burntsauce 23:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I really dislike trivia sections, which is what this is. Yes, they are eaten competitively. So are pies. And most foods, actually. Of course, if the section was at all referenced, as you state, this would improve it at least a slight bit, but right now, I feel it makes the article lower quality, and amateurish. Also, without wanting to place a boilerplate message anywhere, be careful of WP:3RR. [4] [5] [6]. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 23:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Massive deletion reverted again by User:Alkivar

This edit, from yet another editor who appears not to have contributed to this discussion, is similarly unhelpful. It also removes information about the Wing Bowl, which is incomprehensible. Please edit in a civilized manner. Restore the text, then contribute here, join the discussion, and, by consensus, we will determine which information (if any) should be removed from the article. Thanks. Badagnani 00:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I restored the material on the grounds you (Badagnani) raised - it was a mindless POV-pushing deletion by someone trying to prove a WP:POINT about not liking trivia. However, if you regulars on the page want to delete it or include it as a matter of how you would like to see the article, fine. I'm not restoring it to say it should be there, but rather than people shouldn't sweep in and mindlessly delete content.Wikidemo 16:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I attempted a compromise to the article. I re-added the notable content of the removed section to the article. I added Fact templates for information that previously was in the article but needs citations. Hopefully, this will slow down the reverts and re-reverts. --Ben James Ben 02:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

It appears to have been an unthinking deletion based on the word "popular culture" appearing in the section heading, and it's part of a big flare-up today regarding more than 300 similar sections on Wikipedia. You're probably in the clear now that it's part of another section. Please don't let any of this wiki-fighting deter you. Make it the best article you can. Wikidemo 03:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Chicken wings = Buffalo wings?

Chicken wings redirects to Buffalo wings. Do the editors here think all chicken wings in the world are just Buffalo wings? The fact is that there are other styles of wings all over the world. Should there be a seperate article for general description for chicken wings? -- 158.182.242.201 13:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This was the contents of the "Chicken Wings" article prior to it becoming a redirection page:

" Chicken Wings can refer to:

• A type of food, a serving of the wing sections of a chicken. Deep fried wings coated in sauce are also known as Buffalo wings.

{{disambig}} [[:Category:Chicken]]" It was then replaced with a redirect to Chicken in July 2007. In September 2007, it was replaced with the redirect to Buffalo Wings. The few other changes made since got quickly reverted back. Jon (talk) 17:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking at related pharses; Wings is a redirect to Wing (disambiguation). Prior to it becoming that it is mostly it's own disambig page wit a subset of those on Wing (disambiguation). Wing (disambiguation) itself has a direct link to Buffalo Wings, but no direct link to Chicken. So if this really bothers you, the first thing to do is edit the Wing (disambiguation) page. If accepted over there, then Chicken Wings redirect could then change to Wing (disambiguation). Jon (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Someone just plagiarised a ton of text from geography.ccsu.edu which I'm pretty sure goes against the rules. Isn't there better references available on Buffalo Wings published out there? ---Wingted —Preceding unsigned comment added by WngTed (talk • contribs) 18:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

One small question. How does citing direct quotes from an individual along with an inline reference to the source quailfy as plagiarism? The legends cited were not cut and pasted from the site in question and the source of the information was clearly indicated. Shinerunner (talk) 12:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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