Talk:Bulgarian Greek Catholic Eparchy of Sofia

Elevation to Eparchy and name of article

Hello,

The Apostolic exarchate was elevated to an eparchy on 11 October 2019. The article may therefore need to be updated and renamed. English-language sources seem to use a variety of names:

• BNR and Info Balkans: "Eparchy in Bulgaria", assigned name of "Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite in Bulgaria".
• Sofia Globe: “Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite in Bulgaria”, also using short names "the eparchy" and the " Catholic Apostolic Exarchy of Sofia" for the former jurisdiction
• vatican.va: Elevation of the "apostolic exarchate of Sofia for Catholic faithful of Byzantine-Slavonic rite resident in Bulgaria" to an eparchy, assigning it the name of “Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite in Bulgaria”.

Seeing as we previously called the officially "apostolic exarchate of Sofia for Catholic faithful of Byzantine-Slavonic rite resident in Bulgaria" just the "Bulgarian Catholic Apostolic Exarchate of Sofia", I suggest we may use a shorter formulation than the long official form. However, I think it is still important to keep "Bulgarian" and "Catholic" in the name of the article, per WP:ASTONISH.

I therefore see the following options:

1. Official: Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite in Bulgaria
2. More concise but respecting WP:ASTONISH, and our usual conventions for Greek-Catholic jurisdictions : Bulgarian Catholic Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia
3. Shorter: Bulgarian Catholic Eparchy of Sofia
4. Also shorter: Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia
5. Even shorter: Catholic Eparchy of Sofia

I have a preference for option 2. @Мико: (& others) what is your opinion? Place Clichy (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

The official is 4 - Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia and "for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite in Bulgaria" is merely an explanation. I don't mind 2, still Bulgarian Eastern Catholic Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia would be better. In Bulgarian I've preferred Софийска епархия (източнокатолическа) i.e. Sofia Eparchy (Eastern Catholic) because Йоан XXIII needs inverted comas. Мико (talk) 03:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

You are correct that "Bulgarian Catholic" is not obviously understandable as a Greek Catholic jurisdiction. After all we use Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church for the particular church. However, "merely an explanation" is not correct, the Holy See always mentions the rite and/or particular church as part of the official name of Eastern Catholic jurisdictions, albeit with a wording often much longer that how they are frequently called in usual language: "for Catholics of Byzantine-Slavic rite" is ecclesiastical language for what is commonly called "Greek Catholic(s)". Looking at how articles about dioceses are currently organised for the two largest and most notable Greek Catholic churches, I see that Ukrainian Greek Catholic eparchies most often uses Ukrainian Catholic (Arch)eparchy of <town> (26 out of 34) and sometimes Ukrainian Catholic (Arch)eparchy of <dedication> of <town> (7 out of 34), therefore dropping "Greek", while Melkite Greek Catholic eparchies uses Melkite Greek Catholic (Arch)eparchy of <town> (16 out of 21) and sometimes Melkite Greek Catholic (Arch)eparchy of <dedication> of <town> (4 out of 21).

I therefore suggest Bulgarian Greek Catholic Eparchy of Saint John XXIII of Sofia. Shorter Bulgarian Greek Catholic Eparchy of Sofia is also an option, as it is unlikely that another Bulgarian Greek Catholic eparchy would be created in Sofia. Place Clichy (talk) 09:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Why not Eastern Catholic? Bulgarian Eastern Catholic Eparchy of Sofia. Мико (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

'Eastern Catholic' is not really applicable in this context, 'Greek Catholic' would be used instead. Greek Catholic is the term used for Greek-rite churches (which use the same rite as Eastern Orthodox churches), while 'Eastern Catholic' refers to a wider ensemble that also includes e.g. Maronites, Armenian Catholics, Chaldeans etc. 'Eastern Catholic' would only be used to describe a group including several of these traditions, which is not the case here. Place Clichy (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

In Bulgarian uniate catholics prefer източнокатолическа (Eastern Catholic) [1]. Can you prove with sources that Greek Catholic and Eastern Catholic are really different terms in English? Мико (talk) 07:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)