Talk:Burnley F.C. in European football/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 18:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• Lead looks unbalanced with a large first para and very brief second para, perhaps level that up a little.
  • Expanded the second paragraph. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Notes which are complete sentences should take a full stop (e.g. [a]).
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "who has made" reads odd, which has made?
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " since 1960" explain why this is the threshold.
  • Removed that part since it's mentioned in the following sentence. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Or merge it with the following sentence and say " which was the first season they qualified for a European competition" or some such.
  • See above. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "The club's following European..." which club?
  • Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "where it was" reads odd for me in Brit Eng, "they were" works better for me.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "other competitive European football" you mean "non-UEFA-sanctioned" or something?
  • Yes, done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " final in 1974" hate those Easter egg links, you could pipe the whole thing, or even "the 1974 final".
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " a transfer fee was paid for only two players — Jimmy McIlroy (1950) and Alex Elder (1959)." it's odd to say transfer fee then put the year (I assume) of their transfer in parentheses. I get it but I'm not sure a non-soccer reader would.
  • Reworded/expanded. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Reims were the 1959–60 French Division 1 champions,[8] were" missing an "and".
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Plus too many run-ons, split this.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "featured the likes of Just Fontaine and Raymond Kopa" to a non-expert this is "MEH". Context?
  • Reworded and gave a short explanation. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " after he picked up the ball " non-experts screaming "isn't that what the boy did at Rugby School?"
  • Haha, removed that part. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "and qualified as such for " no need for "as such".
  • Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "for a hectic first round return leg against Stade de Reims" sentence, needs full stop, plus "hectic" is POV, not Wikipedia voice.
  • Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Hamburg were in front again inside six minutes as Gert Dörfel and Seeler scored" perhaps "both" in front of Gert there.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "By the time Burnley ..." feels like one too many run-ons here.
  • Reworded. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "In 1971, the" that's a proper Easter egg.
  • Removed the link as it's not really helpful. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "José Altafini's penalty (Napoli) was..." sentence so full stop but the (Napoli) thing is confusing, was it simply "for Napoli"? If so, just say that.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Leeds United lost it's A for A.F.C. a while back.
  • Ah sloppy, amended now. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Burnley won the first leg 3–1 at Lausanne's ground after conceding first" no details on goal scorers here, seem anomalous.
  • Added them. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "They were drawn" -> "Burnley were.."
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " be much more difficult. " for....?
  • Expanded/explained. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Probably need to attribute that Italian press quote, I assume the source is quoting a quote?
  • The source gives the full quote, but only implies that "... the Italian press whipped up Fairs Cup fever with sentiments like [quote]". WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "was spit in his" spat?
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "later at home in" whose home?
  • Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Manager Sean Dyche (2013..." image caption needs a full stop.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• " In those years," during perhaps, rather than "in"? Or even "During that period"?
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "to the fifth-tier" worth noting that's non-League?
  • Added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Perhaps just a little too much on Burnley's domestic performance, although I understand it gives the qualification for Europe some context.
  • Reworded/Cut a bit in that part. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Cork is overlinked.
  • Removed the overlink. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "who died three" had died. And worth being clear this wasn't down to hooliganism.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "the team missed" which team?
  • Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "debut three minutes later.[39]" conclude with aggregate score and "they went out" etc.
  • Added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "Most appearances in European competition" UEFA-sanctioned?
  • Yes, added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• "UEFA Europa League " is suddenly linked 3/4 of the way down this list.
  • Removed the overlink. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Slight issue with some of the records being cited to a 2007 source when Burnley have been in Europe post-2007....
  • The only "record" that was broken post-2007 was the lowest home attendance (and is sourced). The other records have remained intact. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• I don't think source 47 (to RSSSF) covers most of that para e.g. "as their public showed little interest in the competition", so work needed there.
  • Added some other sources, reworded a large part of the paragraph. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Blank cells for single-legged games is not helpful at all for our readers.
  • Added em-dashes. Is that better? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Also, can you clarify if the Newcastle final venue was designated neutral? Why was it played at the ground of one of the finalists?
  • Couldn't find a reliable source or really an explanation, but I assume it was due to the fact Newcastle had also reached the FA Cup Final, which was contested a few days after the Texaco Cup final. Does the note need to be expanded? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• The "gold" and "silver" cell(s) need a symbol and a key to indicate "won/lost the tournament in the final".
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Once again, check all notes for (a) references and (b) correct punctuation.
  • Done and added refs. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• Ref 26, spaced hyphen, should be en-dash.
  • Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• I'm pretty sure UEFA is a publisher, not a work.
  • Amended. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

That's it, first pass, I think there's more to do than this, but this is my initial assessment. Putting it on hold. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

The Rambling Man Thanks for taking up this review! It's really appreciated. I've amended the points above and left some comments there. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to this, I missed the ping, but I'm generally content that this more than meets the GA requirements so I'm happy to promote it. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

The Rambling Man That's alright. Thanks for this review, your comments are always appreciated! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)