Talk:Business band

GMRS

I think the following should not be on this page. They were listed as business frequencies in the article. This makes the Business Band article factually wrong. In the US, they are really licensed under General Mobile Radio Service Part 95 and Family Radio Service:

White Dot	462.575	Also licensed under GMRS
Black Dot	462.625	Also licensed under GMRS
Orange Dot	462.675	Also licensed under GMRS
J-Dot	467.7625	Often represented as a black dot with a white "J"
K-Dot	467.8125	Often represented as a black dot with a white "K".

David Jordan

It might be suitable to delete them but since "business band" means different things to different people it might be better just to leave GMRS, FRS and MURS freqs there with suitable notes. Altaphon (talk) 00:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiple problems with this page

• The page should be retitled/merged back to "Business radio service", or expanded to "Industrial radio services in the United States". "Business band" is a marketing term; there is no single business band, but several different bands in different parts of the spectrum.
• This page should not have a "USA-specific" tag, because it's about a US radio service, with US rules and frequencies. There was a photo of a radio that I think is used in Britain, the commented-out link to the removed image should be removed as well.
• There's an overemphasis on a certain type of radio that is relatively well-known to the public, that operates on color-coded frequencies. While we should have a section on these, we shouldn't make the whole article about them.
• In the 1980s, the FCC ... reserved No, The Business radio service was around before that, maybe even the 1930's or 40's.
• 56 UHF frequencies There are hundreds and hundreds of frequencies. The 56 number probably comes from a series of Motorola radios which offer a somewhat wider selection than the usual "dot-color" channels. But many business radios are "black boxes" that are programmable to thousands of possible frequencies by a professional radio shop.
• must be registered as a business with the Internal Revenue Service. Can we get a source for this?
• Common Low Band Business Band Frequencies Some of those low-band frequencies, especially the 27 MHz ones, aren't commonly used at all. 35.02 is pretty popular for fast-food order windows, and 33.40 maybe for wireless language labs in schools, but that's about it.
• There are three GMRS frequencies that also have dot-color channels ( GMRS used to be available for businesses too, and until recently were often included on business radios ); I wouldn't have any objections to adding them back to a table of dot-color channels as long as they are designated as such.
• The J and K-dot frequencies mentioned above are business, not GMRS or FRS frequencies. They should be in the table.
• See also...ISM band Why only the ISM bands? There's also police radio and taxi radio and CB radio. The V/D/E below should cover all the bases.

Squidfryerchef (talk) 15:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments on above

Yeah, it's just like like Squidfryerchef says. David Jordan

First cleanup

I just did a bit of cleanup for this article. I didn't really address Squidfryerchef's concerns because I'm not an expert on the subject, but hopefully a little attention will get this article moving in the right direction. --Voidxor (talk) 05:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah

I agree with Squidfryerchef's points. Also, what about the "local control" frequencies for malls and such? I think this document might help too.
--Scanner dork via 205.175.123.102 (talk) 04:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the article could do a table of all the business frequencies and highlight the ones that have special uses. To keep the length manageable it would probably have to be limited to freqs that were primarily used by the Business Radio Service before refarming, and omit the splinter channels, repeater inputs, data-only or wireless mikes-only, and taxi freqs used for business in rural areas. We'd have to develop the prose on this article a lot though before adding more lists, the WP:DIRECTORY people would have a fit. PS I checked the link, why do they have 42.98 as "pink dot" on that table?; that's one I've never heard before. Squidfryerchef (talk) 05:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Second Cleanup

It's a little better now. For radio trivia, pink dot was on some Maxon low band handhelds years ago. Altaphon (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Registered as a business with the IRS

"Overview" states that individuals can obtain business/industrial pool licenses; but "History" states that only businesses registered with the IRS can. I'm going to have to lean towards the first being correct; as I've seen many 'IG' licenses in ULS whose licensee is something like "Smith, John J" and not "Smith, John J LLC" or whatever. And a brief poke through the FCC site doesn't mention the IRS.
--Scanner dork via 205.175.123.102 (talk) 04:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I doubt you need a business tax ID from the IRS. Lots of people run home businesses without incorporating, and file their business income on Schedule C. Probably they use their Social Security number as tax ID when dealing with the FCC. That does beg the question though, why don't we see more people applying for business radios just for the heck of it? Squidfryerchef (talk) 05:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The entries referred to above are mostly bogus, I will fix. Altaphon (talk) 23:59, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

History is all wrong

Land Mobile Radio Service (as it is roughtly known today) has been around since post-WW2. It did not start in the 1980s, poor research of US telecommunications historical usage -- especially for Public Safety, Railroad, Business and Emergency usage -- before Cellular/Mobile phones were even created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.227.35.194 (talk) 15:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Several Google hits ( 1 in web, 1 in news archive, and several in books ) show that the Business Radio Service was set up in 1958. ( Try searching for "business radio service" 1958 and you'll see them. ) Squidfryerchef (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Some fixed, see Second Cleanup above. "Business Radio Service" was one of the names FCC used, starting in 1958 as noted by squidfryerchef, but it's all one line of regulations from 1927 per the FCC's page. Now it isn't even called BRS anymore.Altaphon (talk) 00:51, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

FCC Spam

Someone very badly wants to add this to the article:

Business Band Two-Way Radio Narrowbanding refers to an FCC Order issued in December of 2004 requiring all CFR 47 Part 90 VHF (150-174 MHz) and UHF (421-512 MHz) PLMR (Private Land Mobile Radio) licensees operating legacy wideband (25 KHz bandwidth) voice or data/SCADA systems to migrate to narrowband (12.5 KHz bandwidth or equivalent) systems by January 1, 2013. Further information, updates, and licensee resources are available here.

It's FCC regulatory trivia not related to the topic, and it's not a lead paragraph for an encyclopedia article. It's also spamming for the FCC. It might be epsilon more relevant at Narrowband. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC)