Talk:Buttigieg

To add to article

To add to article: does this surname literally mean something like "lord of the poultry"? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 01:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 16 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Buttigieg → Buttigieg (surname) – Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the 4 criteria of WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY, WP:CONSISTENT, and WP:NAMEPAGE#Narrow qualifiers, I argue that the current title of this page should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Pete Buttigieg (the incumbent United States Secretary of Transportation). For editors who are concerned that this RM is an example of Americentrism, please read the extended rationale on the corresponding talk page. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 06:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 14:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended rationale

NOTE: In the interest of full disclosure, I was the editor who worked to promote Pete Buttigieg's article to Good Article status in 2021.

I also would like to note that aside from Secretary Pete, no other person whose surname is Buttigieg has a Wikipedia article that has Good Article status or a higher quality, as evidenced by the article traffic statistics links below in 2.).

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY

1.) WikiNav results - When analyzing traffic to and from this page, it can be seen that 73.68% of the outgoing page views in February 2024 and 60.14% of the outgoing views in March 2024 were to Secretary Pete Buttigieg's article.

2.) Wikipedia article traffic statistics - A, B, and C: From the linked Wikimedia Cloud Service data analyses, it can be seen that Secretary Buttigieg's article receives at least 474% more daily average views than everyone else pertinent who shares his surname as of March 1, 2021. The hatted table provides more specific calculations:

Sortable table of daily average page views of everyone listed at Buttigieg over past 3 years

Daily page views of Pete Buttigieg versus other people whose surname is Buttigieg since March 1, 2021 Article title Average daily page views Albert Buttigieg 0 Anthony Buttigieg 3 Anton Buttigieg 17 Chasten Buttigieg 605 Claudette Buttigieg 7 Claudette Pace 7 John Buttigieg (footballer) 6 John Buttigieg (rugby league) 5 Joseph Buttigieg 165 Mark Buttigieg 10 Michael Franciscus Buttigieg 1 Norman Buttigieg 1 Pete Buttigieg 3,474 Ray Buttigieg 2 Rebecca Buttigieg 3 Robbie Buttigieg 1 Simone Buttigieg 1 Notes

3.) Usage in (English-language) reliable sources - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 16: From the linked Google Scholar search results, it can be seen that Secretary Buttigieg receives at least 181% more mentions in scholarly literature than everyone else pertinent who shares his surname. The hatted table provides more specific calculations:

Sortable table of Google Scholar results of everyone listed at Buttigieg

Google Scholar results of Pete Buttigieg versus other people whose surname is Buttigieg Article title Number of results Albert Buttigieg 12 Anthony Buttigieg 22 Anton Buttigieg 304 Chasten Buttigieg 41 Claudette Buttigieg 22 Claudette Pace 22 John Buttigieg (footballer) 48 John Buttigieg (rugby league) 48 Joseph Buttigieg 904 Mark Buttigieg 28 Michael Franciscus Buttigieg 0 Norman Buttigieg 0 Pete Buttigieg 2,540 Ray Buttigieg 9 Rebecca Buttigieg 7 Robbie Buttigieg 1 Simone Buttigieg 3 Notes

4.) Incoming Wikipedia page wikilinks - I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, and XIX: From the linked Special:WhatLinksHere search results, it can be seen that Secretary Buttigieg's article has at least 737% more incoming links than each of those for everyone else pertinent who shares his surname. The hatted table provides more specific calculations:

Sortable table of incoming page links of all articles listed at Buttigieg

Incoming wikilinks for Pete Buttigieg versus other people whose surname is Buttigieg Article title Number of pages that link to article Albert Buttigieg 7 Anthony Buttigieg 11 Anton Buttigieg 65 Chasten Buttigieg 85 Claudette Buttigieg 160 Claudette Pace 160 John Buttigieg (footballer) 87 John Buttigieg (rugby league) 36 Joseph Buttigieg 47 Mark Buttigieg 77 Michael Franciscus Buttigieg 8 Norman Buttigieg 49 Pete Buttigieg 1,339 Ray Buttigieg 29 Rebecca Buttigieg 11 Robbie Buttigieg 11 Simone Buttigieg 18 Notes

WP:CONSISTENT and WP:NAMEPAGE#Narrow qualifiers

When analyzing the titles of the 10 most common surnames in the United States on Wikipedia (according to the 2010 United States census: link), we see that the format TARGET TITLE (surname) is used on all but one occasion. As the hatted table specifically demonstrates, this RM's proposed target will also make this page's title more consistent with the guidance of WP:NAMEPAGE#Narrow qualifiers:

Sortable table of article titles of most common American surnames
Most common last names in the United States in 2010 Article title Rank Adherence to WP:NAMEPAGE#Narrow qualifiers Smith (surname) 1 Yes Johnson 2 No Williams (surname) 3 Yes Brown (surname) 4 Yes Jones (surname) 5 Yes García (surname) 6 Yes Miller (surname) 7 Yes Davis (surname) 8 Yes Rodríguez (surname) 9 Yes Martínez (surname) 10 Yes Notes

AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 06:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Survey

• Oppose. No primary redirect here by long-term significance. Just WP:RECENTISM. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Egsan Bacon (talk) 23:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• This kind of a reading of https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Buttigieg is too superficial, I've been arguing against this for many months now, cf. WT:D as well... Right now we see there were 820 views of Buttigieg in March, and the system identified 172 outgoing views of Pete from there. This is actually a ratio of ~21%. In other words, ~79% of views of the surname list did not result in a visit to Pete Buttigieg. That means there's an obvious risk that, if we short-circuit, we get some substantial portion of readers -- who didn't really want to go there -- confused or astonished.

Now this ratio can come from a variety of factors, one of the obvious ones is that our anthroponymy lists are sorted alphabetically by default, and this is inherently detrimental for quick navigation to items whose names start with later letters like P. The guideline to apply there would be MOS:DABCOMMON, so we sort Pete and possibly others at the top.

I like that you went into Google Scholar, because this could be indicative of long-term significance, but I really don't like that the concept of long-term significance wasn't even discussed at all. You need to provide a coherent argument why the usage and significance of the single politician would eclipse the combined significance of all the others to such an extent that there is no risk of a primary redirect astonishing many average English readers. (Oppose)

It would be helpful to compare with other possibly similar cases, such as why would Buttigieg redirect, if e.g. Albright or McGovern don't. --Joy (talk) 07:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose look, the guy is a lot less objectionable than many American politicians, but I think this is recentism bias—although he was in the news when running for president, his actual impact on the United States is limited. (t · c) buidhe 01:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

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