Talk:Byrdmaniax

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Removal of Refimprove tag

I have removed the tag from this article stating that it "needs additional citations for verification". This is because I have expanded the article considerably, addeding multiple inline references to remedy this problem. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:45, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Paul Polena

I wonder whether this name was misspelled somewhere along the line and handed down through history as such. I find no Paul Polena in any non-Byrdmaniax literature, but I do find a Paul Pena, whose musical credentials seem more or less in keeping with the role on Byrdmaniax of the supposed "Paul Polena." Cbben (talk) 01:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Also does an arranger belong among the musician personnel anyway? I moved to production credits. I think it's pretty on target now, relative to Hjort at least. Cbben (talk) 01:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...it's possible but not definite by any means, an awful lot of independant sources list Paul Polena as the arranger on Byrdmaniax, including Allmusic, multiple Byrds CDs and even Sneaky ete Kleinow's official website. I think it's safer to stick with the details as presented in these sources. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 04:09, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, are you sure that Jackson Brown plays on the version of "Just Like a Woman" recorded during the Byrdmaniax sessions (featured on the 2000 remaster) and not the version of the song recorded during the making of (Untitled) (on the Byrds 1st box set) - they're not the same version and were recorded nearly six months apart. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 04:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Hjort claims that on January 17, 1971 Jackson played piano on a version of Jamaica Say You Will (his contribution ultimately going unused) and on Just Like A Woman. He could be wrong of course. As for the songs recorded (but not necessarily the musicians), he says he is going by session logs. I wonder whether Hjort documents the other version of Just Like A Woman (the one from the box set), because I do reacall reading, perhaps in the box set liner notes, that Jackson plays piano on that version, and it seems all too coincidental that he would be there to play on both versions. Could it be that the box set version differs from the Byrdmaniax bonus track version only with respect to the presence of the organ overdub (I don't even have the Byrdmaniax reissue)? And come to think of it, maybe the box set liner notes are where you read that the Positively Fourth Street on (Untitled) was the first time the Byrds played it.

Yes best to stick with Polena barring something new coming to light. Cbben (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

No, the version on the Byrdmaniax remaster is definitely an entirely different take to the one on the first box set - the drums come in at a different point, there's different guitar fills from Clarence, the vocal is different and even the piano part is slightly different on both versions. If Hjort says that Jackson Browne is on the January 17, 1971 version, then that's good enough for me. Although you're absolutely right that the box set liner notes do say that Jackson Browne also played piano on the June 11, 1970 recording. It’s a coincidence that the band got him in on both sessions but it’s not totally inconceivable. The Byrds, and particularly Clarence White, were big fans of his...they recorded a couple of his songs in 1969 and 1971 after all. So it is possible that he's indeed present on both recordings. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

As I suspected Hjort doesn't even list "Just Like A Woman" among the songs recorded June 11, 1970, as he cites only overdubs and "Amazing Grace" as being recorded on that date. The reason Hjort states Jackson is present at the 1971 session makes perfect sense though: to teach the band "Jamaica Say You Will." As for "Fourth Street," Hjort states that the (Untitled) version is the first time the Byrds recorded the song; could it be that you read that it was the first time the Byrds recorded the song, not the first time they actually played it? Cbben (talk) 03:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmmm...I don't know, I was pretty sure I read somewhere that they'd never actually played the song in public before. I'm wondering if it was in Rogan's original Timeless Flight but was deleted from Timeless Flight Revisited. I'm not sure if I've still got my old 80s copy of Timeless Flight but I was gonna have a look for it. The other thing I was thinking was that I might have read this in the liner notes on the original LP of The Byrds Play Dylan, which I no longer own. I'm gonna continue searching because I swear that I have read this somewhere. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 03:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Jackson Browne

Wondering whether it might be a stretch to characterize him as unknown given his songwriting presence (3 songs) and guitar contributions (five songs) on Nico's first album (1967). He also was her guitar player in live performances of the time and given all of the above was known in the Warhol/Velvet Underground circle. Also his song "These Days" had been released by Tom Rush on his self-titled album (1970). Cbben (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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