Talk:Cégep de Jonquière

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There's plenty more detail in fr:Cégep de Jonquière which could be brought over here if it's needed. I've moved this up from "stub" to "start" based on info from the fr: article. K7L (talk) 05:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

There's also a severe lack of independent, reliable sources in this article. Anything here is either sourced to the college or not sourced at all? K7L (talk) 16:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Cégep term used outside of Québec.

The term Cégep is widely known and used outside of Québec, all Public Colleges in Québec (and ONLY Public colleges) are Cégeps. For example, the University of Athabasca, in Alberta, pretty far away from Québec, knows what a Cégep is: here for example. The name "Collège de Jonquière" is not used as a name for the whole college, but for one small school within the whole. Cégep de Jonquière is the only name that is used to market the College as a whole, in both English and French. The Centre Linguistique is talked about in the article, as it is one portion of the college, not the whole.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 03:52, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I see no evidence that the Collège de Jonquière advertises itself in English in Athabasca as "Cégep" or anything else. The only programme being advertised in English is the centre linguistique, everything else is promoted in French only and the intended market is intra-region or intra-provincial. K7L (talk) 18:55, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, only the "Centre Linguistique"( One small school of the cégep) uses "Collège de Jonquière", everything else is marketed as Cégep, which it is. Stop imposing your single minded view.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Nothing else is marketed outside francophone Québec. The WP:COMMONNAME in English is "Collège de Jonquière" as that's the only one they advertise en anglais. You are the only one edit-warring this back from Collège to CÉGEP. Furthermore, CÉGEP and "public" are two entirely different concepts. Stop creating links labelled as one but pointing to the other. K7L (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

The only common name for the whole college en anglais, comme tu dis, is "Cégep de Jonquière", the "Collège de Jonquière" is only used to refer to one school within the college, not the whole college. You might not realize, but in Québec, Public College IS Cégep, and only Cégep, there is no such thing as a private Cégep, as by définition - and statute, only public colleges are Cégeps. Si tu ne me crois pas, y faudra que tu aille lire la loi du Québec sur les Cégeps, ainsi que la loi sur l'éducation collégiale. C'est très simple, un Cégep c'est une école au niveau collégiale publique, point finale. Un Cégep n'est pas (et ne peut pas être) un collège gouvernemental, ni un collège privée. Arrête d'imposer ta version des faits, et laisse la vérité être publiée.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 01:50, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

You're trying to make public education and CÉGEP to be one and the same. Public education can be anything from école maternelle to UQAM. Don't create wikilinks which display one of these terms and point to the other, as they are not synonymous. K7L (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, actually in a sense, yes Public Education and Cégep are the same, as all Cégeps are public colleges, and only Cégeps are public colleges, However, I'm not linking "public education" which is all levels of education that is public, I'm being - as we are supposed to - specific and linking the type of college (As this is an article about college) - public - to the public college system in Québec - Cégeps. Wikipedia:Make articles useful for readers is the goal, Keep piped links as intuitive as possible, linking to "public education" is not intuitive - it covers kindergarten up to and including universities that are publicly funded - too large of a net and coverage for this article. UQAM is one university in one network of a larger system of Public Universities in Québec, McGill is also a public University, but not part of the "UQ" system. That range is not wide enough to cover all "public education" in Québec. The link in the info box is correct as it is now - public college and Cégep are "synonymous" in the context of this article: public college in Québec = Cégep.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 05:42, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

No, the link you keep edit-warring into this page is [[CÉGEP|public]] which infers public education (in general, not just at collège level, not just in Québec) is synonymous with CÉGEP. It is not. K7L (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Only you seem to be confused and "inferring" such. It's in a college info box, on a Québec college article, the type of college is a Québec public one, that's the inference, and yes all public colleges in Québec are Cégeps. Other articles do the same, link to the specific, University of Michigan has multiple types, with one of them being [[Public university|Public]], there is no implication that it's about public education (in general, not just at the university level), and the article linked to goes on to talk about public universities (there is no "Michigan Public University System" article, this is the most specific article). Québec has a unique education system, and there are articles about the different specific Québec education levels/systems, therefore linking to the specific is preferred. Colleges in Québec are not Universities so linking to "public colleges" (a redirect to "public university") would be incorrect, and linking to "public education" would be too broad and does not cover the specifics of the Unique Québec education system, causing readers to be more confused. --NotWillyWonka (talk) 06:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

A link shouldn't be labelled one thing but point to something else, that is confusing and annoying. K7L (talk) 03:20, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

You can always choose to be WP:BOLD and remove all piped links from Wikipedia, if you feel that way.--NotWillyWonka (talk) 04:17, 22 January 2015 (UTC)