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Issues with J.P. Lowe & Company and precursor history for CR Patterson and Sons

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Hello! I am moving this discussion to the talk page so we can look deeper into the sources. The issue is around the J.P. Lowe & Company history. It is unclear if (1)Patterson formed a partnership with J.P. Lowe to create "J.P. Lowe & Company" OR if (2)"J.P. Lowe & Company" existed and Patterson joined and later J.P. Lowe and Patterson formed a new partnership, all the while maintaining the old business? Jooojay (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

(1)Patterson formed a partnership with J.P. Lowe to create "J.P. Lowe & Company"^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]

(2)"J.P. Lowe & Company" existed and Patterson joined and later J.P. Lowe and Patterson formed a new partnership, all the while maintaining the old business.^[7]

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^ "The Only African American Automobile Company". National Museum of African American History and Culture. 2017-10-11. Retrieved 2021-02-22. In 1873, he formed a business partnership with another carriage maker in town, J.P. Lowe, who was white, and eventually became sole proprietor of the renamed C.R. Patterson & Sons in 1893.
^ Berk, Brett (2019-02-15). "The Only African American Automaker Started as a Coachbuilder". Car and Driver. Retrieved 2021-02-22. In 1873, Patterson and J.P. Lowe, a white local carriage maker, became partners in establishing J. P. Lowe & Company, a successful independent carriage manufacturer. Twenty years later, in 1893, Patterson bought out Lowe's share and continued the shop's success as C.R. Patterson, Son & Company
^ "Charles R. Patterson, Inventor born". African American Registry. Retrieved 2021-02-22. There, Patterson worked for the Dines and Simpson Carriage and Coach Makers Company. Later, in partnership with J.P. Lowe, he formed a company that became known for its expertly crafted horse-drawn carriages; soon he had bought out his partner and formed the highly successful C.R. Patterson and Sons Carriage Company.
^ "Historical Society of Greenfield, Ohio". www.greenfieldhistoricalsociety.org. Retrieved 2021-02-22. C. R., "Rich", learned the blacksmith trade and became very skilled at it. He got a job as a blacksmith with the Dines and Simpson Carriage and Coach Makers Company in Greenfield and soon became a foreman with several whites working under him. In 1873 he formed a partnership with J. P. Lowe in a company to make carriages and wagons. When Lowe died several years later, Patterson took over ownership of the company, later changing the name to C. R. Patterson and Sons. The company became well known for the quality of their products.
^ Greenfield. Arcadia Publishing. 2012. ISBN 978-0-7385-8873-5.
^ Smith, Jessie Carney (2006). Encyclopedia of African American Business: A-J. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 686. ISBN 978-0-313-33110-7.
^ "Greenfield Bus Body Co., C.R. Patterson & Sons, Peterson-Greenfield, J.P. Lowe & Co., Frederick D. Patterson, Charles R. Peterson, Black Auto Mfr. - Coachbult.com". www.coachbuilt.com. Retrieved 2021-02-22. n 1873 James P. Lowe (b.1845-d.1928), the son of a well-known Greenfield blacksmith, established his own carriage works, J.P. Lowe & Company at 210 Washington Ave. in downtown Greenfield. Joining him in the enterprise was C.R. Patterson, the foreman at the Dines & Simpson carriage works. Lowe's young brother Joseph (b.1858) also joined the firm as an apprentice blacksmith...Loew's foreman, C.R. "Rich" Patterson (b.1833-d.1910), is far better known today than James P. Lowe, primarily for the fact that he is considered by many to be the nation's first African-American carriage builder.

@TiredAndHungryToo: I think you are correct, seeing here that most sources are stating they formed a partnership - only one source states Patterson was joining Lowe (coachbuilt.com) and it does have more details, but I don't know that it is a more reliable source WP:RS. I will fix the edits from earlier and restore what you wrote, but without removing any citations. I am sorry for the confusion. Jooojay (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

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[1] "The Only African American Automobile Company". National Museum of African American History and Culture. 2017-10-11. Retrieved 2021-02-22. In 1873, he formed a business partnership with another carriage maker in town, J.P. Lowe, who was white, and eventually became sole proprietor of the renamed C.R. Patterson & Sons in 1893.

[2] Berk, Brett (2019-02-15). "The Only African American Automaker Started as a Coachbuilder". Car and Driver. Retrieved 2021-02-22. In 1873, Patterson and J.P. Lowe, a white local carriage maker, became partners in establishing J. P. Lowe & Company, a successful independent carriage manufacturer. Twenty years later, in 1893, Patterson bought out Lowe's share and continued the shop's success as C.R. Patterson, Son & Company

[3] "Charles R. Patterson, Inventor born". African American Registry. Retrieved 2021-02-22. There, Patterson worked for the Dines and Simpson Carriage and Coach Makers Company. Later, in partnership with J.P. Lowe, he formed a company that became known for its expertly crafted horse-drawn carriages; soon he had bought out his partner and formed the highly successful C.R. Patterson and Sons Carriage Company.

[4] "Historical Society of Greenfield, Ohio". www.greenfieldhistoricalsociety.org. Retrieved 2021-02-22. C. R., "Rich", learned the blacksmith trade and became very skilled at it. He got a job as a blacksmith with the Dines and Simpson Carriage and Coach Makers Company in Greenfield and soon became a foreman with several whites working under him. In 1873 he formed a partnership with J. P. Lowe in a company to make carriages and wagons. When Lowe died several years later, Patterson took over ownership of the company, later changing the name to C. R. Patterson and Sons. The company became well known for the quality of their products.

[5] Greenfield. Arcadia Publishing. 2012. ISBN 978-0-7385-8873-5.

[6] Smith, Jessie Carney (2006). Encyclopedia of African American Business: A-J. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 686. ISBN 978-0-313-33110-7.

[7] "Greenfield Bus Body Co., C.R. Patterson & Sons, Peterson-Greenfield, J.P. Lowe & Co., Frederick D. Patterson, Charles R. Peterson, Black Auto Mfr. - Coachbult.com". www.coachbuilt.com. Retrieved 2021-02-22. n 1873 James P. Lowe (b.1845-d.1928), the son of a well-known Greenfield blacksmith, established his own carriage works, J.P. Lowe & Company at 210 Washington Ave. in downtown Greenfield. Joining him in the enterprise was C.R. Patterson, the foreman at the Dines & Simpson carriage works. Lowe's young brother Joseph (b.1858) also joined the firm as an apprentice blacksmith...Loew's foreman, C.R. "Rich" Patterson (b.1833-d.1910), is far better known today than James P. Lowe, primarily for the fact that he is considered by many to be the nation's first African-American carriage builder.

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