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Latest comment: 10 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion
Have a bunch of potentially useful sources. I'm planning on expanding the article myself when I get a chance, but I'm recording these here (a) for my reference and (b) in case anyone else gets there first:
Jonathan (6 December 2012). "Backstage with... CN Lester". Arts Award Voice. Trinity College London. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="AAVBackstage">{{cite web|url=http://www.artsawardvoice.com/magazine/articles/interviews/backstage-cn-lester|title=Backstage with... CN Lester|author=Jonathan|date=6 December 2012|work=Arts Award Voice|publisher=[[Trinity College London]]|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Brightman, James (11 October 2011). "CN Lester". Electric Banana. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="EBBio">{{cite web|url=http://www.electric-banana.co.uk/new-music/cn-lester/|title=CN Lester|date=11 October 2011|last=Brightman|first=James|accessdate=20 November 2024|work=Electric Banana}}</ref>
Lees, Paris. "CN Lester and Toby Carr". Gay Times. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="GTCNToby">{{cite web|url=http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/Interact/Blogs-articleid-9046-sectionid-780.html|work=[[Gay Times]]|last=Lees|first=Paris|authorlink=Paris Lees|title=CN Lester and Toby Carr|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Welsh, Katie (18 June 2010). "Love: Sacred and Profane". The F-Word. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="FWLove">{{cite web|url=http://www.thefword.org.uk/reviews/2010/06/love_sacred_and|title=Love: Sacred and Profane|last=Welsh|first=Katie|date=18 June 2010|work=[[The F-Word (feminist blog)|The F-Word]]|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
"CN Lester". Hidden Perspectives. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="HPBio">{{cite web|url=http://hiddenperspectives.org/events/festival-2013/participants/cn-lester/|accessdate=20 November 2024|title=CN Lester|work=Hidden Perspectives}}</ref>
Lester, CN (22 March 2013). "Don't like the Mean Girls' table? Check out the rest of the room". New Statesman. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="NSMeanGirls">{{cite news|url=http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/03/dont-mean-girls-table-check-out-rest-room-0|title=Don't like the Mean Girls' table? Check out the rest of the room|last=Lester|first=CN|date=22 March 2013|accessdate=20 November 2024|newspaper=[[New Statesman]]}}</ref>
Reuben, Matthew (17 January 2013). "Trans role models: Janet Mock, Paris Lees, CN Lester and Luke Anderson". New Statesman. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="NSRoleModels">{{cite web|url=http://www.newstatesman.com/voices/2013/01/trans-role-models-janet-mock-paris-lees-cn-lester-and-luke-anderson|title=Trans role models: Janet Mock, Paris Lees, CN Lester and Luke Anderson|last=Reuben|first=Matthew|date=17 January 2013|work=[[New Statesman]]|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Lees, Paris (11 March 2011). "Interview: Genderqueer performer CN Lester". Pink News. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="PNInterview">{{cite news|url=http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/03/11/interview-genderqueer-performer-cn-lester/|title=Interview: Genderqueer performer CN Lester|last=Lees|first=Paris|authorlink=Paris Lees|work=[[Pink News]]|date=11 March 2011|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Lester, CN (13 January 2013). "The Julie Burchill transphobia scandal: CN Lester writes for So So Gay". So So Gay. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="SoBurchill">{{cite magazine|title=The Julie Burchill transphobia scandal: CN Lester writes for So So Gay|work=[[So So Gay]]|url=http://sosogay.co.uk/2013/the-julie-burchill-transphobia-scandal-cn-lester-writes-for-so-so-gay/|accessdate=20 November 2024|last=Lester|first=CN|date=13 January 2013}}</ref>
Williscroft-Ferris, Lee (16 March 2012). "Interview: CN Lester (Part 1)". So So Gay. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="SoInterview1">{{cite magazine|url=http://sosogay.co.uk/2012/interview-cn-lester-part-1/|title=Interview: CN Lester (Part 1)|last=Williscroft-Ferris|first=Lee|work=[[So So Gay]]|date=16 March 2012|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Williscroft-Ferris, Lee (23 March 2012). "Interview: CN Lester (Part 2)". So So Gay. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="SoInterview2">{{cite magazine|url=http://sosogay.co.uk/2012/interview-cn-lester-part-2/|title=Interview: CN Lester (Part 2)|last=Williscroft-Ferris|first=Lee|work=[[So So Gay]]|date=23 March 2012|accessdate=20 November 2024}}</ref>
Williscroft-Ferris, Lee (3 April 2014). "'On Aether, I kind of wanted to wail': So So Gay talks to CN Lester". So So Gay. Retrieved 20 November 2024. <ref name="SoAether">{{cite magazine|title='On Aether, I kind of wanted to wail': So So Gay talks to CN Lester|url=http://sosogay.co.uk/2014/aether-kind-wanted-wail-gay-talks-cn-lester/|accessdate=20 November 2024|last=Williscroft-Ferris|first=Lee|date=3 April 2014|work=[[So So Gay]]}}</ref>
Latest comment: 9 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion
The first UK gay and straight alliance, GNSA was started in 1995, published multiple journals, worked with the ACPO the association of chief police officers, and was started by a trans actavist, who also worked to support sex workers in Middlesborough. I am not giving her name as i belive she has chosen to go stealth and I do not have the right to Loud her (akin to outing in a gay context) X-mass (talk) 13:21, 10 March 2015 (UTC)Reply
So the problem here is that there are reliable sources that state Lester started the first such alliance, and without sources that say otherwise, Wikipedia policy is to stick with the verifiable statements.
If there is any verifiable evidence that there was a gay–straight alliance that predates the one Lester set up, I'd be more than happy to add that—that seems like really useful and relevant information, if not so much for this article then definitely for the Gay–straight alliance one. Although if the founder is not openly trans and giving details about it would be revealing private information, I guess there's not much we can do. :(
(Incidentally, I've never heard of "loud" in that context – I think the trans folk I know tend to just use "out" when relevant. Interesting info, though, I'll bear that in mind if I come across the term again!)
the irony is that OUT of the closet actually refers to transgender practice i.e. that of gay people be they bi/homosexual doing drag in the closet as a reflection of who they are and thus being out of the closet was to be publically gay by being transgender. Its why gay people who are not out are referred to as closetted or closet cases.
The problme is that their are an were plenty of transexual people who are completly OUT about being bisexual, lesbian or gay but are utterly steath about there personal transexual history, or they will talk about it only in a context where its being discussed. Its like being a cancer survivor, if you once had cancer 30 years ago, you might still be a cancer survivor - but its unlikley that you would see yourself that way anymore. Hence out vs closeted lead to Loud vs stealth. X-mass (talk) 12:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
Actually thanks I realised that I had misrembered it and your in fact correct - it was GNSA - Gender and Sexuality Alliance NOT gay and straight alliance. So thanks for the correction X-mass (talk) 11:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)Reply
