Talk:Caddie

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Caddy or Caddie?

For the sake of consistency, the article should use use one or the other (while still acknowledging the alternate spelling in the first paragraph). My brief look at ESPN.com, PGA.com and PCAWorldwide.com shows that they all seem to use "caddie" all the time. Personally, I couldn't find a single use of "caddy" on any of those sites using the search feature. As it stands right now, the page redirects from "Caddie" to "Caddy" which doesn't make sense to me and both spellings are used randomly throughout the article. I'm going to suggest that the page redirect to "Caddie" and for that spelling to be consistently used in the article, unless there is an objection. GardenStateOfMind (talk) 21:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

ahaha whats going on in this section

//A caddy that can positively impact the psyche of their golfer, especially if the golfer is not consciously aware of what the caddy is trying to do, can be extremely valuable. Golf arguably relies on mental aspects of the body more than any other sport in today's world and if the mind is not comfortable, calm, and focused, disaster is likely to occur.// - what the hell, how is this on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.161.100 (talk) 20:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Focus on Club caddies?

This article seems to give too much weight to American private club caddies. While I think that it's important to discuss caddies in a Country Club setting, I think that this article is noticeably lacking in discussing all kinds of caddies and the concerns surrounding them: What about caddies in Scotland? Their duties are much different, and entire books have been written on this subject. What about PGA Tour caddies? What about expanding the History section?

As much as I enjoy reading that, among other things, a caddy tells his player about "the size of his family" while the caddy is making small talk with the player, I think that this article needs to be re-written to focus less on American private club teenage caddies and more on, well, everything about caddies that isn't covered in this article. --Rahzel 06:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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Caddy (Sports) → Caddy – I suspect every link to Caddy (and the redirects that now point to Caddy (disambiguation) refers to this term, so it is clearly the primary topic. Therefore, this page should be moved back to Caddy and the redirects to Caddy (disambiguation) fixed. TimBentley (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support. The clear primary topic and the original move was incorrect in that it was done with out discussion and if caddy really did need disambiguation it should at least have been moved to Caddy (golf). Jenks24 (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Caddy

The section headed Caddy in the article seems to belong in the Wiktionary rather than on Wikipedia. Also, the last couple of sentences seem to miss the statistics they purportedly use. YuujiSajaki (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Caddie is ~still~ the preferred form of this word (Google "caddy or caddie")

Google "caddy or caddie": According to every online dictionary I could find, "caddie" is the dominant variant of this word.

For example, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caddie vs http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caddy

Google "etymology caddy", and you will learn that "caddy" is a British term for a "small box for tea". http://grammarist.com/spelling/caddie-caddy/ explains the etymologies of these two distinct words, and mentions that "caddy" is now used about 1/4 of the time in news articles talking about caddies. Wikipedia should not be in the role of preferring a minority variant. Comments? ToolmakerSteve (talk) 11:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

You may have a point, as there apparently is a Professional Caddies Association, a European Tour Caddies Association , the Commons page goes to 'Caddie', and Wikipedia has a List of Caddie Hall of Fame inductees, so there is likely a Caddie Hall of Fame as well. Looking up the Caddie Hall of Fame on google it seems every link referring to the job/position calls it 'Caddie'. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:07, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Bear in mind that the plural of "caddy" is "caddies", not "caddys". So, the first two organisations named do not demonstrate the prevalence of either spelling. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ghmyrtle, good point. I put up an uncontested move request earlier, but with your note I added a comment there that maybe it should go to a full RM. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Is this page really WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Caddy"?

There was a poorly attended move above which moved this article into baseline space. But page views show only 156 of 274 daily views. That's lower than the normal threshold we'd want to see. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Earlier today I put in an RM to shift it to 'Caddie'. So we shall see, and could comment there once it's on the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 19 September 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) QEDK (愛 • 海) 12:34, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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Caddy → Caddie – Per past talk page comments which point out that caddie is the preferred term. There is a Professional Caddies Association, an Association of Professional Tour Caddies, a European Tour Caddies Association, the Commons page goes to 'Caddie', and per the List of Caddie Hall of Fame inductees. In looking up the Caddie Hall of Fame on google it seems almost every link referring to the job/position calls it 'Caddie'. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink).  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This may be a contested move, as a new note on the page mentions that 'caddies' is the plural of 'caddy', so maybe this should be a full RM. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep, it's not just that Caddy is slightly more common than Caddie and appears more international, it's also whether Caddy (golf) is primary topic anyway with only 55% of page views. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

We have Category:Caddies. Bruce Edwards (caddy) starts with "Bruce Edwards ... was a long-time caddie ..." but seems there is a book "Caddy For Life: The Bruce Edwards Story". We also have Carl Jackson (caddie) and Steve Williams (caddy) who "is a New Zealander who has served as a caddy ..." and his own web site is called http://www.kiwicaddy.co.nz/ Not withstanding all this, my suspicion is that "caddie" is perhaps preferred historically. I suppose the other point is whether Caddy (disambiguation) should be moved to Caddy so that Caddy is a dab page but Caddie is for the golf bag carrier (with "for other uses ..." as a hatnote). Nigej (talk) 16:01, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The R&A and USGA use "caddie" in the rules of golf see: http://www.randa.org/RulesEquipment/Rules/Rules-Of-Golf-Definitions http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!definitions so caddie may be presumed to be the "official" spelling. Nigej (talk) 16:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

And also note that the rules define a "forecaddie" who "is one who is employed by the Committee to indicate to players the position of balls during play.". The current article uses "fore-caddy". Currently we have a redirect from Forecaddy but not from Forecaddie. Nigej (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support, if not then second choice Caddy (golf), the plural of Caddy is Caddies, so plural uses don't tell us anything, "Caddys" pl is just bad English. "Caddy was" since 2010 x 657, vs "Caddie was" since 2010 x 2850. Quite surprised at that, but then I'm not a golfer. And it would make more sense if Caddy was a dab page. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support Seems clear to me that "caddie" is the preferred official spelling. The R&A and the USGA, who together cover the whole world (regarding the rules) both use "caddie". Nigej (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
• Comment, to me this is important support for 'Caddie': the Evans Scholars Foundation links. Here is the link to the caddies page, after reading there click on the 'Caddies' link on top which lead to more Evan's pages, all named 'Caddie' (including the Caddie Hall of Fame). Chick Evans was and is more or less the 'patron saint' of caddies, and much of his later work was in supporting the foundation. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The counter-argument is that these are all essentially the same US-based source, albeit using "caddie" in a consistent manner (which is more that we do). It doesn't, of itself, show that "caddie" is preferred worldwide. Nigej (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support. It seems that, though both spellings are widely used, the "..ie" spelling is more common. And, your esteemed leader uses it, so we must follow. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ghmyrtle: I was wondering which dear leader you meant :) More seriously, I see some entries for "Caddie" are for the bag, but I suppose that applies to "Caddy" as well does it? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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