Talk:Caille Bros.

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... I've edited it to reflect its historical value (the company was mainly active in the late 1800's early 1900's. --忍者 くん (talk) 16:41, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Agree, the article could be improved a lot, but it's far from being commercial spam. A quick search shows that the Caille brothers invented one of the first mechanical cash registers, and their "Caille Black Cat 1889" was one of the first slot machines. German Wikipedia even goes so far to list it as "the first slot machine", but that seems to be an error because usually the "Liberty Bell" is considered to be the first. Either way, historical significance should be clearly established. Rh73 (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@忍者 くん: & @Rh73:, Hi :)...initially when the article was submitted, it was a bit promotional and moreover with references from blog and wordpress (both of which are not considered to be reliable according to Wikipedia policies). You may check Wikipedia:Verifiability. By the way, I could see some historical importance but to be on Wikipedia, the article should follow the guidelines. Anyways, I did some research and have found few sources...here are they - 1, 2and a few in google book search. Lets use them. Cheers! Peppy Paneer (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources, @Peppy Paneer:. As I mentioned, there are some articles in the de Wikipedia on this subject, with these references:

• https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_und_Arthur_Caille - Paul Leake: History of Detroit, a Chronicle of its Progress, its Industries, its Institutions, and the People of the Fair City of the Straits. Lewis Publishing Co., Chicago 1912.
• https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_(Spielautomat) - Alfried Schmitz: Der Einarmige Bandit planet-wissen.de 1.Juni 2009 (Abgerufen am 8. April 2012) - http://www.oldslots.com/LiteraturePages/EarlyCailleAD.php
• Bill Kurtz, Sabine Bartels: Slot machines and coin-op games: a collector's guide to one-armed bandits and amusement machines, Verlag Book Sales, 1994, ISBN 1555217311

For the time being, I'll just drop this here on the talk page, as I have no idea if @忍者 くん: is in the process of updating this article and I don't want to be rude by interfering too soon. Also I'm not sure what's the best way to cover this subject. I mean, you could create 2-3 pages for 1) bio of the brothers as notable inventors in that niche genre, 2) their company and products and maybe 3) for the Black Cat game if it is considered notable enough (archetypal one-armed bandit, probably interesting if you research the history of slot machines). At the same time I feel that one article plus appropriate redirects would be better maintainable than 3 stubs... in which case we would need to discuss if the main article should be about the brothers or one of their companies or their most significant product (which one?). Rh73 (talk) 21:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

忍者 くん:@RH73:@Peppy Paneer: I've found very little information about the company online so I have nothing more to add. Be my guest, it would be great to learn more about how these early Penny Arcade games were actually made. (talk) 00:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC)