Talk:Caleb B. Smith

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Someone added this content below the categories. As it is unsourced and unwikified, I thought it'd be best to move it here some someone with an interest in this can sort through it. older ≠ wiser 21:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This> https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n3/mode/2up and this> https://iucat.iu.edu/catalog/9248091 are the same book if you want to make comparisons Sensionson (talk) 12:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Caleb Blood Smith owned a mansion in Connersville, Indiana today it's called Warren Lodge, or Historic Elmhurst and today is being used as a Masonic Home. It's on the National Register of Historic homes. On the back of the post card of this mansion it reads: Elmhurst, one of the most historical and beautiful sights in Fayette, County, Connersville, Indiana situatied on the west side of the White water valley along the banks of what was the old white water canal was sarted in 1831 by the Honorable Oliver H. Smith, member of Congress. It was then owned by Honorable Caleb B. Smith member of congress and later Secretary of the Interior under President Lincoln also a Grand Master of Masons of Indiana . In 1841. It was purchased by Honorable Samuel W. Parker, member of Congress, 1851-1855, Parker beautified the grounds and planted many of the present trees. He also paneled the rooms in cherry and oak at a cost of $44,000.00 at that time in 1881 James N. Huston obtained the property through foreclosure. He entertained President Benjamin Harrison and his first wife Caroline Scott Harrison. during Hustons ownership the building was extensively remodeled and is now known as the Little White House of Indiana . In 1909 Elmhurst school of girls was establised. Purchased by Warren Lodge # 15 in October 1939. Elmhurst was dedicated by grand Lodge officers on the 22 of February 1941. What the post card DOES NOT tell us is that at one time there was a pond in front of the house which in later years was filled in, and today it's all lawn . I have seen a painted portrait of the home with the pond in front of it. Today there is not even a sign that there was one. It's original structure was erected in 1831. the farm formed an important link to the Underground railway.

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Dispute over burial location

It looks like we have different sources saying different things about where this person is buried.

While it'd be nice to have this info to fill out his infobox vital stats, it's not very important to our readership generally, and if it's disputed I think it's best to just leave off mentioning it at all unless and until we get this sorted out.

User:Sensionson provided this source: "Weird Indiana Burial Mystery" a pointer directly to page 51) which indicates that the person has two graves, one in Collinsville which is empty and one at Crown Hill Cemetary in Indianapolis which isn't. There's a great deal of material here and I haven't gone thru it. But as far as I can tell it's a personal manuscript... it is in the Internet Archive, which gives the authors as John Walker and Cynthia Long and a publication date of October 8 1977, but doesn't say who published it, and there's no cover or title page indicating any publication. Here is an indication that its a letter that was sent to Lincoln Memorial University but wasn't published. How an unpublished letter (if that's what it is) got put into the Internet Archive I don't know.

It's in the Archive so its available to the general public, but it doesn't have an ISBN or DOI or the name of a journal or a publishing house or any other thing to refer readers to, I don't know if we can use it. Even if we can, we can't be sufficiently confident that it's true. Even if it was, we appear to have a physical gravestone for the person that says he's buried in Collisville, so I think the most we could do would be to go "His burial place is disputed, either Collinsville or Indianapolis[ref]". But it doesn'tr look like this source is reliable enough for us to even say that. Short of somebody doing the work to read the source and figure this all out, I'm going to say let's not say where he's buried, since it's of very marginal importance to most readers. Herostratus (talk) 00:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Caleb Blood smith is not buried in CONNERSVILLE, INDIANA. (IF he is, there is no headstone) HE was first buried in Greenlawn cemetery before Crownhill was opened. There is a mystery to his burial for the reason of southern dissenters coming from south to north to descrate bodies. His wife Elizabeth Watton smith did not want this to happen to her husband so she did several things to stop what could happen. He has a mausolem in Crown Hill but he's not buried there. (Please contact crown hill cem in Indianapolis, Indiana to ask) Call the City Cemetery in Connersville, Indiana to ask if Smith is buried there. I've given you so much proof and you still deny the fact. I think you just are being stubborn, and that's okay, but I will never give you any more information because you reject everything. Sensionson (talk) 01:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

It's CONNERSVILLE dumbass, not Collisville. I don't care what you do with the valuable info I have given you. But others have taken it and have found it to be true. So you can stick it where the sun don't shine. I don't really care. I'm done here. Sensionson (talk) 01:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I know alot more about Caleb Blood Smith and the excavation than you do. I was there when Smiths' body was being looked for. I have documents and records. The reason there is a dispute about where he is buried is because after the Civil War the southerners were coming from south to north descrating bodies and his wife Elizabeth was terrified of this so she moved his body and had it buried some other place. No one will ever know where his body is buried. The history books say Connersville, but that's not true. He has a mausolem in Indpls Crown Hill but that was opened in 1977 and only his wife and daughter are there. Some say his body is buried in his old home at Elmhurst in Connersville, but smith lived in Indpls at the time of his death and I can't see anyone asking to come back and bury his body inside the basement of his old home. (as someone else owned the home at that time) There is only speculation and rumor at this time. But I have documents and letters, old news articles and new ones still to this day no one knows where his body is buried. All the info that is online has my name attached to it. I've done years of research only to find no new info on where Smith's body is located. Sensionson (talk) 23:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This> https://archive.org/details/WeirdMystery/page/n3/mode/2up and this> https://iucat.iu.edu/catalog/9248091 are the same book if you want to make comparisons Sensionson (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)