Talk:California Indian Wars

Proposal to incorporate California Indian Wars into California Genocide

It has been suggested that this article be merged with California Genocide. Proposed since May 2018.

OPPOSE. I am opposed to this idea. This article is limited to State and Federal miliary operations, and makes some reference to the military operations of local organizations of citizen groups. Because of its isolation from the rest of the country during the years of its existance as a territory and its early years as a state, California is in a unique category, where most of the wars against the aboriginal native populations were conducted by state militia, local posse's or bands of citizens, rather than the U. S. Army.

The wider issue of genocide in California may refer to these operations, which often qualify as genocide, but most of the genocide was not a result of killings in these wars, but by the State and Federal legalized destruction or appropriation of the resources and liberty of the tribes that in turn caused starvation, disease and demoralization among them. Also included would be the long term degradation of their legal status by state and federal law that left them with no real protection from any sort of abuse up to and including casual murder and also sanctioned their enslavement.Asiaticus (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Support I wholly support it. In the case of the Srebrenica genocide and the Indonesian mass killings of 1965–1966, there were also lots of responsibility by irregular or local forces, but that doesn't mean they weren't genocides.-GPRamirez5 (talk) 18:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Notice of Vandalism: Apparently someone thinks a merge means erasing another article on a different subject (California Indian Wars and the details of what occurred during them) and making it a redirect to an article about genocide in California, a wholly different subject about the morality of the wars and one that covers nothing whatsoever in that article it so carelessly erased. This is not a merge but vandalism by erasure, transforming it into a mere redirect to the perpetrators pet article on a different subject, purely on his own whim if I correctly understand his statement when he did it. Asiaticus (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

I would also say that without the California Indian Wars article there is no listing of the details that would prove the case for this Genocide having occurred.Asiaticus (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Strong OPPOSE, for the same reasons stated by Asiaticus above. Also, my understanding is that is has been estimated that up to 90% of the indigenous population of what is today's California died of disease after first contact with the Spanish. This part of the genocide wholly pre-dates U.S. federal or state operations. Jeff in CA (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

There were over a hundred years after the Spanish plague where the population was stable. The Anglo-Americans and US government presided over its decimation from 1845 levels.GPRamirez5 (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Citation of evidence

This article really needs more comprehensive citation of references for the evidence provided. 99.59.233.218 (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)