Talk:California State Polytechnic University, Pomona/GA1

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Reviewer: Racepacket (talk) 01:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Wikilink Zimbabwe.

   Added wikilink.

   "Collins College of Hospitality Management" - is this the name of the building?

   Collins College of Hospitality Management is a college at Cal Poly Pomona.

   Need a building name to maintain parallel structure.

   Changed to: "At the center of the campus and atop Horsehill are the buildings comprising the Collins College of Hospitality Management and Kellogg West, a hotel and conference center and home of the student/faculty-run Restaurant at Kellogg Ranch."

   "Contrasting some of this architecturally prominent facilities"->"Contrasting some of these architecturally prominent facilities"

   Fixed usage of incorrect demonstrative word.

   "the growing population"->"the growing student enrollment"

   Fixed.

   "Cal Poly Pomona houses the International Polytechnic High School"->"Cal Poly Pomona operates the International Polytechnic High School" - word "houses" over-used

   Replaced ambiguous word. Also, I replaced other instances where the word "houses" was used out of context.

   Run on sentence: "CLA Building is located atop the San José Hills Fault and its structural stability was found to be inadequate in the event of a major earthquake and will be ." - missing comma before and. Need better phrase than "put into question"

   Replaced with: "Nevertheless, the CLA Building suffers from structural flaws, most notably, water intrusion. In 2005, the university filed a lawsuit against a contractor, for which it was compensated $13.3 million in an out-of-court settlement. Amid these concerns, on September of 2010, the CSU Board of Trustees approved a proposal to have the building razed."

   "overcome its major flaws"->"address its seismic risks"

   See previous entry.

   What does "entitled building space" mean? - projected total building space?

   Yes, that's what it means. Thus, the sentence has been replaced with: "The project is currently at the halfway mark of building and leasing 1,000,000 square feet (93,000 m²) of the projected total building space."

   "In November 2007 Cal Poly"->"In November 2007, Cal Poly" - add comma

   Added comma.

   "center collectively known as BioTrek which provides " - comma before which and move ref for BioTrek into a footnote.

   "...center collectively known as BioTrek, which provides environmental education to all academic levels.

   The period comes before the footnote - see fn 63.

   Good eye!

   "8th in least indebtedness"->"8th in least student indebtedness at graduation"

   Replaced with suggested sentence.

   "which is the third most impacted program on campus" - what does this mean?

   It means absolutely nothing. It was a "peacock phrase" introduced by other editor and has been removed.

   "According to Planetizen, Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs without a Ph. D. ranks 2nd in the nation."->"According to Planetizen, Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs ranks 2nd in the nation for non-Ph.D. programs." - if Cal Poly has a Ph.D. program why is it being ranked as a non-PhD institution. Please explain.

   Cal Poly Pomona is designated a master's university by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. This is because the highest degrees offered are masters'. Hence, the sentence has been replaced with: "Cal Poly Pomona's Urban and Regional Planning Programs ranks 2nd in the nation for non-Ph.D. programs, as the university's highest offered degrees are master's".

   " (1. Harvard, 2. U. Penn...8. University of California, Berkeley)" and "(1. Harvard, 2. Virginia Tech.)." - why selectively single out these other schools. I would delete as inappropriate.

   Agree. this is clearly non-NPOV.

   Move table showing demographics of student body down to "Admissions" section.

   Table has been moved.

   "year specific cutoff"->"year-specific cutoff"

   Added hyphen.

   "11 majors and undeclared" -> "11 majors and and students without a declared major" - whole sentence should probably be rephrased.

   Replaced with: "During the fall admissions filing period, the CSU system designates academic programs where more applications are received than can be accommodated by the campus, and designates them as "impacted". At Cal Poly Pomona, impacted academic programs include:"

   Good but you still have a "undeclared" problem, because it is not an "academic program."

   Replaced with: "During the fall admissions filing period, the CSU system designates academic programs where more applications are received than can be accommodated by the campus, and designates them as "impacted". At Cal Poly Pomona, students who apply without a declared major and to the following programs are subject to more stringent admission standards:"

   "With a housing capacity of"->"With an on-campus housing capacity of"

   Replaced as suggested.

   "In an effort to reduce commuting and raise academic standards,"->"In an effort to reduce commuting and raise academic performance and retention,"

   Replaced as suggested.

   Should "Housing" section be a subpart of "Campus" Section?

   Some featured articles such as: Florida Atlantic University, UC Riverside, and Texas A&M include their "housing" sections under "student life" section.

   "governed by the Greek Council.[107]" - move the external link to a footnote. You can have two different footnotes following the sentence.

   Done as suggested.

   Combine "International Students" section with "Admissions" section.

   Done as suggested.

   Why are Glenn Davis or Richard Neutra pictured but not included in the prose paragraph of the "Notable faculty and alumni" Section?

   Rewrote "Notable alumni and faculty" section to include both omissions.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   Lead has too much history and not enough summary of the entire article. WP:LEAD says that a 70K article should have four paragraphs of lead text.

   Lead has been divided into the following four paragraphs (1st - blunt introduction, 2nd - both campus & history, 3rd - academics, 4th - both student life & athletics) :

   California State Polytechnic University, Pomona, or Cal Poly Pomona, is a public university located in Pomona, California, United States. It is one of two polytechnics in the 23-member California State University system.

   Cal Poly Pomona began as a satellite campus of the California Polytechnic School (today known as Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) in 1938 when a completely equipped school and farm in the city of San Dimas were donated by Charles Voorhis and his son Jerry Voorhis. The satellite campus grew further in 1949 when a horse ranch in the neighboring city of Pomona, and who had belonged to Will Keith Kellogg, were acquired. Cal Poly Pomona, then known as “Cal Poly Kellogg-Voorhis Unit”, and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo continued operations under a unified administrative control until they became independent from each other in 1966.

   Cal Poly Pomona currently offers multiple educational programs in 9 academic units and enrolls over 20,000 students as of fall 2009. The university is one among a small group of polytechnic universities in the United States which tend to be primarily devoted to instruction in many technical arts and applied sciences.

   Once known strictly as a commuter school, in recent years Cal Poly Pomona has undertaken an effort to increase its academic standings while also evolving into a more traditional university. The university has raised admissions standards, increased on-campus student residences, built new facilities and expanded its undergraduate research opportunities. Its sports teams are known as the Cal Poly Pomona Broncos and play in the NCAA Division II as part of the California Collegiate Athletic Association (CCAA). The Broncos sponsor 10 varsity sports and have won 14 NCAA national championships.

   Reword: "While Cal Poly Pomona is part of the California State University, it is improper to refer to the campus with names such as "CSU Pomona"[13] and "Cal State Pomona".[14]" - avoid flat statements

   Replaced with: "The university's office of public affairs recognizes two official names for the university: "California State Polytechnic University, Pomona" and "Cal Poly Pomona". However, "Cal Poly" has also used to refer to Cal Poly Pomona, as both itself and California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo, California were one institution spanning two locations from 1938 to 1966. Cal Poly Pomona's office of public affairs recommends not to abbreviate the university's name merely as "Cal Poly". Although part of the California State University system, Cal Poly Pomona's naming convention does not follow that of most campuses within the system (e.g. the CSU campus in San Diego bears the full official name "San Diego State University" and the CSU campus in Fullerton uses the name "California State University, Fullerton"). Thus, "Pomona State University" and "California State University, Pomona" are seldom used and not in the university's graphic standard's manual. Nonetheless, Cal Poly Pomona's web page is csupomona.edu."

   "25-acre (100,000 m2) at Spadra Ranch,[34]" - is a word missing such as "ranch" or "campus"?

   Replaced with: "...25-acre (100,000 m²) at the former Spadra Landfill (now known as "Spadra Ranch"),..."

   "The university has a local-serving area," - I don't understand what you are trying to describe. Is there where it draws the most students or the area served by its extension efforts? Do you mean the Tier 1 Area?

   Yes, it means tier 1 area, and I changed the sentence accordingly.

   "Bronco Express and BroncoLink" Section should be combined with the "Campus" section. As written, it sounds like BroncoExpress is student-only, but most campuses allow faculty and staff to use the bus system as well. Which is it?

   Done as suggested and included that student, faculty and guests are free to ride the BroncoExpress shuttle, but not BroncoLink shuttle. The entry reads as follows:

   "The entire campus community is served by a free campus shuttle system known as "Bronco Express". The shuttle system comprises 3 lines and is run by the office of Parking & Transportation Services (PTS). In addition, PTS also offers a shuttle service known as "BroncoLink" which provides both students and faculty a direct connection from the Pomona North and Downtown Pomona Metrolink stations to the CLA Building."

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   There are warranted {{citation needed}} tags that require references.

   Done. All references use templates.

   Fn 14 which links to archive.org, no longer has a valid archive link.

   Reference replaced reference for one with a working URL.

   "Polytechnic universities in the United States tend to emphasizes science, technology, engineering, and mathematics programs.[69]" - Does fn 69 support the sentence as drafted?

   Definition of polytechnic now comes from Merriam-Webster and explains its Franco-Greek etymological origin.

   fn 105 Pocket Facts 2008 link is dead.

   Reference replaced reference for one with a working URL.

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   Is http://www.uwstout.edu/polytechnic/upload/polyforum4-28.pdf a reliable source. It appears to be a powerpoint presentation of an on-campus committee studying whether to change UW-Stout to a "Polytechnic"-name.

   No longer used as previously mentioned.

   Add page 10 to the cite in fn. 38 - finanacial statement

   Done as suggested.

   Fn 93 and 101 - use {{cite web}} to include the title, publisher, date and accessdate to eliminate the naked URL cite.

   Done as suggested.

   Is collegeprowler a reliable source?

   In the further reading section of the featured article Dartmouth College, College Prowler is suggested as a potential source, and is also used at Michigan State's article as a reference as well as at Ohio Wesleyan's.

   C. No original research:

   "Five out of the top eleven schools are public schools. This makes Cal Poly Pomona the 5th best public school for undergraduate engineering among regional universities." =OR?

   Removed OR and moved individual colleges and rankings section to California State Polytechnic University, Pomona academics#rankings

   " Three of the seven schools are private schools. This makes Cal Poly Pomona the 3rd best public school for undergraduate Civil Engineering." =OR?

   Same as previous entry.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   What about governance? Aside from the CSU Board of Trustees, is there a campus-specific board? Is it the "University Educational Trust Board? Who selects them? Are there any student or faculty representatives?

   Added University Educational Trust section to article

   Most university articles have a "Research" section.

   Cal Poly Pomona is not classified as a research university by the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education, thus research activities are very limited, but there is an article on the initiative to increase undergraduate research opportunities at U.R. Bronco.

   What about the Library? Why is it under Campus instead of Academics? It deserves more than three sentences.

   Moved as suggested, added more information and references.

   What about the Japanese garden? Why a Japanese Garden? Is it a coincidence that Cal State Long Beach also has the Miller Japanese Garden?

   Expanded as suggested, included presence of Japanese gardens in LA County.

   B. Focused:

   I would delete the "Name" section.

   Moved to History section. Section was a result of a compromise over an edit war.

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   No edit wars.

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   File:Cal Poly in San Dimas.JPG - needs fair use rationale.

   I have nominated File:Cal Poly Library Entrance.jpg for deletion. The licensing tag on this photo is self contradictory.

   File:Voorhis Vikings 1.png - needs stronger fair use rationale

   Done.

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article represents significant work by its author. Putting review on hold for you to address concerns. Racepacket (talk) 04:25, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

April 2 reading

Excellent work! I particularly love the Cornell quote. Please consider:

• "defined as an geographical region surrounding the campus"->"defined as an geographical admissions region surrounding the campus"?

• Agree and done.

• "Japanese Garden is one among others"->"Japanese Garden is one among four"

• Done.

• Tier I area defined and discussed twice. Only need one such description/discussion. Please drop the other.

• Done.

• Greek life - are there houses? Are they on or off campus?

• There is no "Greek row" on campus or fraternity or sorority houses on campus, but there seems to be just a few off-campus... decided to include those two who were found to have them.(?)

• "participated in the Tournament of Roses since 1949"->"participated in the Tournament of Roses parade since 1949"??

• Yes, that's correct!

• BroncoLink and Bronco Express covered twice in campus and Student Life sections. Since they serve faculty, I would drop the latter.

• Done.

• Need footnote to support claim that Glenn Davis is an alumnus. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/calpolypomona/

• Added footnote.

Let's wrap this up. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 23:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Please let me know which copyrighted pictures you are considering. If they were published before 1923, they can be used with the appropriate template. If there is a proper fair use rationale, they can be used even if they are still copyrighted. If you get permission, send the email to OTRS. Please let me know if you have specific quesitons about the photos. Racepacket (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I wanted to use a few images on the history section, but we may have to settle with only one to comply with fair use guidelines. The picture I truly enjoy is this image showing Will Keith Kellogg, his favorite Arabian horse Antez, and the oldest building on the Pomona campus in the background. However, showing only this image overlooks the --equally important-- influence of Charles Voorhis and Jerry Voorhis in its foundation. Showing two images would really put an end to this dilemma. Unfortunately, I have never come across an image showing Voorhis and Kellogg and doubt it exists. I already wrote a librarian for permission to publish under an "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0)" license. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  19:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I suggest that you add one photo and we complete the review. If permission comes through from the second photo, you can add it later. Racepacket (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I talked to the head of Special Collections at Cal Poly Pomona, and she's unsure on who's the copyright owner. I think the copyright owner would be the university, as they are the sole publisher of the picture, legal owners of Mr. Kellogg's estate, and the picture was taken in 1929 on his former ranch (Cal Poly Pomona's current campus) by his photographer. Hence, she referred me to Public Affairs whom I will be paying a visit tomorrow. Regards, -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  01:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The image's file has been created as the Special Collections & University Archives librarian graciously agreed to release the image under a CC license. I also added the image to the "history" section of the Cal Poly Pomona article along with a caption. Let me know if there are further points that need addressing. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  03:39, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I have made a correction to describe U.R.Bronco in the text of the article. I have notice the table of colleges has two [citations needed] in it. Actually, no citation is needed since the year is not given. Please add the year and the citation when you have a chance. But it is not required to meet GA criteria. So I will pass the article. Congratulatons! Racepacket (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)