Talk:Call It Stormy Monday (But Tuesday Is Just as Bad)/GA1

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Reviewer: Viriditas (talk · contribs) 21:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Musical notation

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There is unused musical notation over at File:Stormy Monday intro.png. Viriditas (talk) 05:08, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Problems with the notation have been raised on the talk page (wrong time signature, etc.), so I left it out. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Should I nominate the image for deletion? Do we need the image on Wikipedia? Viriditas (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

It is unneeded (improperly used in Blues rock also). —Ojorojo (talk) 00:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Removed from Blues rock.[1] —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Audio sample

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There's an unused audio sample over at File:Eva Cassidy - Stormy Monday.ogg that appears to have been intended for use in this article. Any idea why it was removed (or never used)? Viriditas (talk) 03:27, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

If a clip is used, it should be for a song that is discussed in the article. Otherwise, why pick hers over the hundreds available? (unfortunately I am unable to upload). —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

OK. Viriditas (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Infobox

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OK. Viriditas (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Lead

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• Through its considerable radio exposure and the group's concert performances, they brought "Stormy Monday" to the attention of the rock audiences
  • I don't think the definite article is required here and in fact, reads poorly: rock audiences, not the rock audiences. YMMV. Viriditas (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• The song is included in the Grammy Award, Rock and Roll, and Blues Foundation halls of fame as well as the U.S. Library of Congress' National Recording Registry
  • The link to Grammy Award in this context should go to either Grammy Hall of Fame Award or to List of Grammy Hall of Fame Award recipients (A–D). Viriditas (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

You changed it in the reference, but not in the lead or body. Not that this matters much, but when I clicked on it in the lead I was confused because I was taken to the Grammy Award page instead of the Hall of Fame. Viriditas (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Background

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• In July 1942, T-Bone Walker recorded "Mean Old World" and "I Got a Break, Baby" as one of the first artists for Los Angeles-based Capitol Records.
  • It would help to inform the reader as what type of songs they were, for example "blues songs". Also, the article on the blues has some additional background information that may or may not be relevant, noting that Walker transitioned from the urban blues to the jump blues style during this time. Do these two singles represent the transition? According to the song article, "Mean Old World" "showcased T-Bones's new, and already developed, style, in which he answered his smoky, soulful vocal phrases with deft, stinging, jazz-inflected lead lines on his electric guitar"." As the reader I wanted to know a tiny bit more about the background here. Viriditas (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Added more background. Walker's recording of "T-Bone Blues" with Les Hite in 1940 is in a newer style and by 1942 with "Mean Old World", he is firmly in the West-Coast style. He didn't record in the 1930s that I'm aware of and his bios suggest that when he heard or played with Charlie Christian about 1933, he was inspired to go in a new direction. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• Shortly thereafter, his recording career was interrupted by the 1942–44 musicians' strike and the diversion of record-making material for the war effort.
  • Some of our younger readers will probably not know what "record-making material" refers to here, having been brought up with mp3's. It might be a good idea to specify the problem, such as the materials needed to make records at the time. The article on gramophone record says "shellac supplies were extremely limited" during WWII. Viriditas (talk) 01:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, clarified. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. How about adding some white space for the reader, such as a paragraph break at the end of Capitol Records and just before in July 1942? Of course, if you feel the paragraph break would work better somewhere else, that's fine, too. Viriditas (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• Although there is conflicting information regarding the recording date (see Recording and composition section below)
  • Although it might be debatable as to whether this falls afoul of WP:SELFREF, older, previous discussions on this subject are generally against this kind of self-reference. I believe it is acceptable to provide an internal self-link instead, such as this: conflicting information regarding the recording date, or some other permutation, instead of the self-referencing parenthetical, "(see Recording and composition section below)". If you have a different opinion, I would be interested in hearing it. Viriditas (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Some readers might think that the link sends them to a different article, rather than just read on. I haven't given it much thought, so changed to current practice. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• The fact that both Walker's and the Eckstine/Hines song include "Stormy Monday" in the title has led to confusion regarding the songs' true titles and authorship (see Confusion over name section below)
  • I believe that in practice, internal self-links are preferred. For example, confusion regarding the songs' true titles and authorship instead of the self-referencing parenthetical, "(see Confusion over name section below)". If best practice does not follow this convention, I would like to know. Viriditas (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed as above. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Recording and composition

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• There are conflicting accounts about the recording date for "Call It Stormy Monday".
  • It's your call of course, but since you started the article out with saying the title is usually shortened to "Stormy Monday" in the lead, why not call it "Stormy Monday" throughout the article? Viriditas (talk) 03:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

It seems that there is an attempt to avoid past problems caused by the use of "Stormy Monday" and many call it "Call It.." (yes, it was bound to happened sooner or later). I'm not sure who's getting the royalty checks now, but it seems most people associate most of the variations with Walker, as BMI appears to. I don't feel strongly about it, but added "Call It..." in the opening. Many blues songs go by different names; it is probably a hold over from the folk music tradition. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

On further thought, it may be better to be consistent for the general reader. I've used "commonly referred to as 'Stormy Monday'", but dropped in a few "Call It..." as a reminder of the official, non-ambiguous name. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• One sessionography places the recording on September 13, 1947 during his third session for Black & White Records.
  • When you use the month-day-year format, the convention is to apply a comma after the year: "September 13, 1947, during his third session..." If you omit the day and just use the month and year, then you don't need a comma. Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. (added sig) —Ojorojo (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

"Places the recording" in this sentence should say "places the recording of "Call It Stormy Monday" because in the previous sentence you are talking about "Mean Old World". Without this change, it sounds like the sessionography sentence is describing "Mean Old World", not Stormy Monday. So it should read: "One sessionography places the recording of "Call It Stormy Monday" on September 13, 1947, during his third session for Black & White Records." What do you think? Viriditas (talk) 06:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• The recording took place in Hollywood, California and was produced by Black & White's Ralph Bass.
  • A comma is required after the state when you use the city-state format: Hollywood, California, and was produced..." A comma is not required when you use the city-state abbreviation format, although that isn't really used in prose on Wikipedia (but possibly in lists). Viriditas (talk) 09:08, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• "The real sound of this riff is based on starting each 9th chord a whole step (2 frets) above and sliding down. If we were to analyze this movement, the first chord is technically a 13th chord resolving down to a 9th chord".
  • Who are you quoting here, Aaron Stang? Best practice is to make attribution explicit. As the reader, I see this quote and I wonder, who is saying this? Leaving a quote like this without attribution is very confusing. Viriditas (talk) 09:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Caught a couple more in the Recording and composition section. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

• It also includes twelve bars of single-string guitar solo, which has been described as "remain[ing] largely in the middle register, but it contains some gems, particularly in the use of space, phrasing, and melodic development".
  • Who described it this way, Lenny Carlson? If you aren't paraphrasing, make attribution explicit when you use direct quotes. Viriditas (talk) 09:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

• It also includes twelve bars of single-string guitar solo and trumpet and sax fills.
  • Source? Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Added quote with ref. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• The lyrics chronicle the feelings of lost love through the days of week, concluding with Sunday, "when the blues and spirituals converged [in] a continuation of a trend used by earlier Mississippi Delta blues singers"[7] and a prayer asking the Lord to "Give me back my baby, please send her home to me".
  • Is there a source citation that should appear at the end of this paragraph? Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Paraphrased instead (can't find a reliably-licensed lyric provider for the original Walker version). —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

That's odd; for a blues standard it should be widely available. I'll try to help later, I know it is out there. Viriditas (talk) 20:56, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

There are lots of different versions and copyright violation sites out there. This is the last verse of the original:

Lord have mercy, Lord have mercy on me

Lord have mercy, my heart's in misery

Crazy about my baby, yeah send her back to me —Ojorojo (talk) 00:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

NPR's article is a reliable source. (full transcript) That source supports the original line " Crazy about my baby. Yeah, send her back to me." Viriditas (talk) 02:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Good find! I've used it a couple of times. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Releases and charts

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• It entered Billboard's Rhythm & Blues Records chart January 24, 1948, and reached number five during six-week stay.
  • I think it helps the reader to have a preposition of time here: "It entered Billboard's Rhythm & Blues Records chart on January 24, 1948." Should Billboard's Rhythm & Blues Records link to Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs? I believe it was once part of that chart. Viriditas (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Added both (actually Most Played Juke Box Race Records chart). —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Good work, but you are still missing an article: ...and reached number five during a six-week stay. Viriditas (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Added (I was a bit hurried when I made several of these edits yesterday). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• During his career, he made several different recordings of the song, including for his 1959 Atlantic Records' album T-Bone Blues.
  • This is a little clunky. You say he made several different recordings but you only mention one. The reader wonders, how many did he record? Just two? It might just be my personal idiosyncrasy, but when the choice is between "several" and "two", I prefer two since some editors use it to refer to more than two. You can ignore this if you don't see a problem. Viriditas (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Clarified. He made many more, but his discography is difficult to research, because he recorded for so many different labels, including some minor ones. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, but the way the second paragraph is currently structured, the opening sentence should refer to Walker. Currently, it opens with, During his career... However, since the preceding paragraph ended with no mention of Walker himself, it helps to remind the reader who you are referring to here. So, open the second paragraph with During Walker's career..." Viriditas (talk) 22:31, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Strike that, I'll address the problem below. Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• During his career, he made several different studio and live recordings of the song for the various record companies he worked with during his career.
  • You repeated "during his career" twice. How about eliminating the first instance (along with "the" various record companies) and mentioning Walker at the beginning, like this: "Walker made several different studio and live recordings of the song for various record companies during his career." Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed (as above). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• 'In 1968, another recording, titled "Stormy Monday", is included on his album, Stormy Monday Blues for Bluesway Records.
  • "In 1968...another recording...is included on his album" doesn't read very well. Try something different. You could try something like this, or a variation that you prefer: "Another recording titled "Stormy Monday" appears on the 1968 album Stormy Monday Blues for Bluesway Record." Viriditas (talk) 01:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• A later recording of the song, which uses chord substitutions similar to Bobby Bland's 1961 rendition, was included on a 2008 NPR "T-Bone Walker's 'Stormy Monday'" presentation."
  • "Presentation" sounds a bit odd. It's an NPR series on American Culture. Try just naming the series like this: "A later recording of the song, which uses chord substitutions similar to Bobby Bland's 1961 rendition, was included on the The Sounds of American Culture series on NPR in 2008." Viriditas (talk) 01:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Recognition and influence

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• In 1983, T-Bone Walker's original "Call It Stormy Monday (But Tuesday Is Just as Bad)" was inducted into the Blues Foundation Blues Hall of Fame in the "Classic of Blues Recording — Single or Album Track" category, who called it "one of the most influential records not only in blues history, but in guitar history".
  • You might want want to split this up into two sentences. Are you saying the Blues Foundation called it "one of the most influential records not only in blues history, but in guitar history"? It reads better as two sentences. Viriditas (talk) 19:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• In 1991, it was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame which "honor[s] recordings of lasting qualitative or historical significance" and in 1995, it was included as one of the "500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll" by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
  • When you are dealing with multiple quotes from different sources it sometimes helps to split up the sentences: "In 1991, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame which "honor[s] recordings of lasting qualitative or historical significance". It was included as one of the "500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll" by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995."

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• • How about linking Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Viriditas (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Already linked in lead (along with Blues Foundation & Grammy Award HOFs). Would it help to link them again here? —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Oops, sorry I didn't see that. In this case, per WP:LEADLINK and WP:OVERLINK it is a judgment call on your end. It is preferable to link in the body rather than the lead, if it is not important for the links to also appear in the lead. It's your call, but you could link in both places, link only in the lead, or link only in the body. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

No need to be linked in the lead. I've moved them to this section (also moved refs in lead to Other renditions). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• In several interviews, B.B. King has stated that "Stormy Monday" inspired him to begin playing electric guitar.
  • Change the period into a colon. A colon is used when you introduce a block quotation with an independent clause. Like this: "In several interviews, B.B. King has stated that "Stormy Monday" inspired him to begin playing electric guitar: Viriditas (talk) 03:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Music journalist Charles Shaar Murray has identified Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown, Lowell Fulson, and Albert King as being similarly inspired to take up the electric guitar upon hearing Walker's song.
  • This is fine the way it is, but if you desire, try rewording it for flow and voice. Something like, "According to music journalist Charles Shaar Murray, other musicians similarly inspired to take up the electric guitar upon hearing Walker's song include Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown, Lowell Fulson, and Albert King." Viriditas (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Other renditions

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• Its popularity is such that that one encyclopedia entry concludes "What bluesman does not have his own version?"[2] Billy Vera wrote "rest assured, as you read these notes, someone somewhere is performing 'Call It Stormy Monday'".
  • Are you writing in British English? That's fine if you are. In American English, you rarely see quotes like this without a comma (after "concludes" and "wrote", but preceding the quote), but it looks like British English doesn't recommend them. You've got one confused Yank over here! Viriditas (talk) 03:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

That's one for my list! Last week someone told me I looked like St. Francis of Assisi!?! (It must be my new halo). Changed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• "Stormy Monday" has become so popular that one encyclopedia entry concludes "What bluesman does not have his own version?".
  • Terminal punctuation within a quote does not require terminal punctuation outside of a quote. Please remove the period at the end. Viriditas (talk) 01:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• It was also noted that "it became a song that virtually every blues band had to know; in fact, it was also required learning for countless jazz, soul, pop, and rock performers who may have had no other blues songs in their entire repertoires".
  • Who noted this? Keep in mind, this entire paragraph is composed of three sentences which are themselves three quotes. That's a bit too much. Here's my recommendation, you can take part of it, all of it, or just ignore it: try to think about paraphrasing the entire O'Neal quote in your own words, then use it to lead the paragraph instead of concluding with it. Follow it up in the second sentence by paraphrasing Herzhaft, and then finish the paragraph with the third sentence by quoting Billy Vera. Stylistically, doesn't that work better? Viriditas (talk) 01:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

• American soul blues singer Bobby Bland recorded his interpretation of the song in Nashville, Tennessee in September 1961, during the same session that produced his "Turn On Your Love Light".
  • A little too informal. Try, "during the same session that produced the song, "Turn on your Love Light". Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Please add a comma after Tennessee. Viriditas (talk) 03:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Drummer John "Jabo" Starks recalled:
  • You don't need a colon or any punctuation here. It isn't necessary when you use a dependent clause to introduce a block quote. Viriditas (talk) 03:38, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Removed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• The single reached number five during a thirteen stay in the R&B chart.
  • A thirteen 'week stay? In or on the chart? Viriditas (talk) 01:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Added; I've seen both, but change to "on" for consistency. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You're still missing "week" after thirteen. Viriditas (talk) 03:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

(Ahem), added. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• The song is performed in the key of A♭ at 60 beats per minute.
  • Does this need a source? A citation to the sheet music? Or not? Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Removed — again, can't find a licensed source (not mentioned in the refs already provided). —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Note, I've added a link to the musical notation up above. Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Addressed above. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• When Duke released Bland's version, it was inexplicably re-titled "Stormy Monday Blues".
  • I think it might help the reader to call Duke "Duke Records" because the last time you referred to them was in the previous section, almost four paragraphs earlier. If a new reader was to click on that section and see Duke standing alone, they might get confused with Duke Robillard who is mentioned earlier in the article. Viriditas (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• The Allman Brothers' "Stormy Monday" received considerable airplay on progressive rock and album-oriented rock radio during the 1970s.
  • Source? Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Removed. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• Latimore's uptempo, jazz-influenced rendition was based on a 1962 version by Lou Rawls that was included on his Stormy Monday album with Les McCann.
  • Source? Viriditas (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Added. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

• However, "its propulsive, pop-tinged groove and Latimore's own jubilant vocal directness made this incarnation of the classic entirely his own".
  • Who are you quoting? Viriditas (talk) 10:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Added writer. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Stormy Monday"...is included on Latimore's self-titled debut album for Glades Records.
  • Can you link to something like Soul Express or AllMusic to support the existence of the song on that album? Or if you don't like those sources, just list the album as a reference. It helps in case someone wants to verify the track listing. Viriditas (talk) 10:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Added AllMusic ref. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

References

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• Excellent. Viriditas (talk) 10:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Criteria

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   Commas needed in "Recording and composition" section

   Make attribution explicit inline when using direct quotes.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   WP:SELFREF in background section

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   Per the above, several areas are missing citations:

   Recording and composition

   Other renditions

Addressed above. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

1. C. No original research:

2. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

3. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

4. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

   Article is stable.

5. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

   Article (and the reader) could benefit from adding images of T-Bone Walker (which are free to use on Commons), and if necessary, The Allman Brothers Band (also freely available on Commons) or some other relevant photographs.

Added images of Walker and Allman (taken at the Fillmore not long after SM was recorded there!). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Note, I've added a link to an unused image of musical notation and an unused sound file at the top of this review. It's up to you whether you use them or not. I just wanted to bring them to your attention in case you didn't know about their existence. Viriditas (talk) 05:29, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Addressed above. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

1. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Article on hold to give the nominator time to fix minor grammar issues. Viriditas (talk) 10:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

   Nominator has fixed the problems. The article now passes the GA criteria. Viriditas (talk) 10:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing this; I don't see a problem with a seven-day schedule. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Good, because my time on Wikipedia is limited. I hope to have this review finished by Monday night, HST. Viriditas (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Article title

My apologies if this requires a separate discussion, I just didn't feel like it. Is there a WP:COMMONNAME issue with the current article title which needs addressing? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 07:35, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Good point. Although they are not a copyright authority, BMI lists it as "Stormy Monday (Legal Title)", with several "Alternate Titles".[2] Will look into. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't find anything to back BMI's listing. Copyrighted sheet music shows the name as "(Call It) Stormy Monday (But Tuesday's Just as Bad)"[3] p. 5 and "(They Call It) Stormy Monday"[4] and there are probably many more. The various halls of fame and the National Recording Registry all use "Call It...", as does Billboard charts. However, when discussing the song in general or multiple versions, it is usually shortened to "Stormy Monday" (both Herzhaft's and Komara's encyclopedia entries). Versions other than Walker's are usually referred to as "Stormy Monday". AllMusic shows 342K song results for "Call It Stormy Monday"[5] and 255K for "Stormy Monday"[6], but that must include a lot of false info. This may be a case similar to the the White album, i.e., it has a different title than what it is usually called. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)