Talk:Cameron Hall (basketball player)

Requested move 19 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: move Cameron Hall (basketball) to Cameron Hall (basketball player) and Cameron Hall (Virginia) to Cameron Hall (arena). I'll also clean up links and retarget Cameron Hall (basketball) to the disambiguation as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} since the argument is that "(basketball)" is too ambiguous to refer to the player. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Cameron Hall (basketball) → Cameron Hall (basketball player) – Causes confusion with Cameron Hall (Virginia), which is most well-known as a basketball arena. Someone could reasonably assume by the basketball part that this is about the arena. Smartyllama (talk) 17:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. -- Dane ^talk 22:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Oppose I would recommend that we move Cameron Hall (Virginia) to Cameron Hall (arena) instead. There are no other arenas by that name, and the arena is not just used for basketball. Rikster2 (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

We might have needed to do that if he'd been from Virginia (which would have been in some ways a perfect storm), but fortunately for all concerned he's Canadian. Andrewa (talk) 16:17, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Do you know other arenas that are DABbed by the state they are in as opposed to the type of structure? Because I know hundreds of basketball figures who are DABbed as "basketball" not "basketball player." What is he becomes a coach later? This is aiming to solve a problem that doesn't exist - or at least is easily solvable with a note at the top so a confused user can easily get to the other article. Rikster2 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Support move. The current title is ambiguous, regardless of whether the person or the arena holds the name.  ONR  (talk)  00:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

• Support move. An unusual case, but a definite problem, and a logical solution. Andrewa (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. It is long standing that basketball biographies do not use "player" or "coach" to differentiate. I support Rikster2's proposal to move it to Cameron Hall (arena) if anything, but at the very least it could be moved to Cameron Hall (basketball, born 1957). No ambiguity there no matter what. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:15, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Note – I didn't know the (basketball, born 1957) was already a redirect. I modify my suggestion to move it back over the redirect. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
  • A rather left-field suggestion, it's not the normal way of indicating that it's a person not an arena, but from the readers' point of view (which is our bottom line) quite adequate. But if we take that course, wouldn't Cameron Hall (born 1957) be just as adequate? Unambiguous, more concise, and doesn't introduce any extra abuse of the disambiguation conventions. Andrewa (talk) 10:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
  • If we are going with birth year, which I could support, then it should match the other basketball articles and include "basketball" (examples, Marcus Thornton (basketball, born 1987) or Bobby Jones (basketball, born 1951)). The issue I have with the original suggestion is that it's going against a well-established DAB convention for these types of articles. I personally think the best so,union is to move the arena to "arena" and leave this as it is. There is no problem with this. I don't believe that there is another structure article using the DAB "basketball" so I think a hatnote for the player is sufficient. Rikster2 (talk) 13:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

• Comment from nom No objection to moving this to Cameron Hall (basketball, born 1957) instead. Keep in mind, however, this is a unique case as there's no other person named Cameron Hall that we're disambiguating this from, and the arena wasn't "born" in any year. To my knowledge, there is no other situation where we're disambiguating a basketball person from a basketball arena of the same name. Also would support moving Cameron Hall (Virginia) to Cameron Hall (arena), but that alone is not sufficient to solve this issue. Smartyllama (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
• Neutral on proposal but oppose use of birth year as unnecessary overkill. Life dates are recommended for use only as a last resort. It's true "(basketball)" is the usual qualifier for players, but adding "player" as an exception in this one case probably won't hurt much. (The original title was "basketball player", btw.) On the other hand, the hatnote is probably sufficient for the tiny number of readers who land on this article by mistake and want the arena. The best suggestion is to move the arena to Cameron Hall (arena); what something is is more fundamental than where it is. Station1 (talk) 01:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support (basketball player) and move "Virginia" to "arena" per others. George Ho (talk) 07:04, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support (basketball player). Best solution for readers. Support (basketball, born 1957) as second choice. Current title needs to go, because it is ambiguous with the arena no matter how the article for the arena is named. feminist 14:12, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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