Talk:Camp No

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I added an edit to complete the rest of Bumgarner's quote from AP. In addition I added that official testimony by Bumgartner has him off the base during the time of the event. As cited in January 18 2010 episode of Countdown with Keith Olbermann on the Suicide of the 3 prisoners. Gwydion5 (talk) 01:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

After adding a reference to the Slate article, I am concerned about why this is significant enough a "fact" to merit being the subject of this page. All this will develop into is a rant between the two ends of this burning candle. Why here at all? This may seem like a reasonable questions, but many of the other rumors of things going on at Guantánamo have the same failing?Komowkwa (talk) 12:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

One Slate article suggests it is fiction,[1] while another suggests it is (an alleged) fact.[2] If even the editors at this one reliable source can't keep their own ducks in a row, there's not much hope for us. Regardless, WP:V not WP:TRUTH is our standard. -- Kendrick7^talk 05:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

We're still at an early stage for this article. Even if it's all B.S. (and I'm pretty sure that most of it is), there's still a place for it here. Conspiracy theories do get their own articles.

We'll eventually learn the building's name and purpose. We can rename the article at that time, and use the Hortonism as a subsection.

-- Randy2063 (talk) 00:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Using italics for quotes

It is traditional to put quoted material in italics. And the use of italics to make it easier for readers to recognize when material is a quote is routine here. So I restored the italics to this article's quotes. Geo Swan (talk) 13:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not traditional or routine to put quotes in italics. In fact I don't think I've ever seen another Wikipedia article, or any non-Wikipedia source, where that was done. The Wikipedia manual of style doesn't say anything about putting quotes in italics (Wikipedia:Mos#Quotation_marks). This unusual and irregular punctuation is distracting. Readers will have no trouble recognizing what's a quote and what isn't.Prezbo (talk) 02:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Pzebo is correct. Yilloslime ^T_C 00:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Propose merge to Guantanamo Bay homicide accusations

Discussion of June 9/10 2006 incident at the Gitmo Detention Center is spread out between at three articles: this one, Michael Bumgarner, and Guantanamo Bay homicide accusations. It seems like covering this topic in a centralized way rather than fragmented across 3 articles would be better. As there isn't much to say about "Camp No" outside of the June 9/10 2006 incident, it seems like covering Camp No in Guantanamo Bay homicide accusations would suffice. If more info comes out about the Camp itself, then it would be fine to have it's own article, but at this point it's unclear whether the camp even exists or what it's real name is, so a devoted article seems premature. But my main argument for merging is that everything we could say about Camp No at this time could and should also be mentioned in Guantanamo Bay homicide accusations; there's nothing is gained by having a separate article. Yilloslime ^T_C 00:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this merge suggestion is a good idea. I changed the tag from {{merge}} to {{mergeto}} in order for a single discussion to take place in a single location. Geo Swan (talk) 21:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks consolidating the merge discussion. Why do you think the merge suggestion is not a good idea? Yilloslime ^T_C 23:23, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Geo coords

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bahia+de+Guantanamo,+Caimanera,+Cuba&hl=en&ll=19.907018,-75.11043&spn=0.001511,0.00283&sll=21.125498,-82.397461&sspn=23.389506,46.362305&vpsrc=6&geocode=Fa1_MQEdONuF-w&t=h&z=19

Can someone extract and add? 132.3.65.68 (talk) 19:53, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Interesting but how do we know that is Camp No? IQinn (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Iqinn appears to be banned, but I'll share this here anyway.This Harpers article includes a satellite photo with the area identified by Sgt. Hickman as Camp No. He also identifies the area as Camp No in his book, the diagram is included in the Amazon sample.

I'll add it in as the alleged location, as we don't know for sure. Much appreciated, friend! -Avery Trashmouth 16:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge???

Should this article be merged with the separate Camp Seven article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aneah (talk • contribs) 17:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

No, there should be no merge with Camp Seven/Camp Platinum.

I am not aware of any evidence that Camp No was repurposed to serve as Camp Seven/Camp Platinum. That would make a merge on this notion a violation of WP:Original research.

Camp Seven/Camp Platinum is the very high security camp for the 14 "high value detainees". It is not under the jurisdiction or control of JTF-GTMO.

Similarly, Camp No might be a re-purposed Camp Strawberry Fields, but to assert that, or to make edits based on that notion would lapse from OR. Geo Swan (talk) 17:44, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is one article: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/guantanamo-inside-the-prison-where-the-us-government-keeps-226545, Camp Strawberry Fields sounds like a misnomer or basically a completely informal name... but, until there is some kind of evidence to tie it all together...

The opening paragraph of this article states Camp No (aka Camp Seven)... the Camp Seven article also lists it as being Camp Platinum... Now all we need some evidence tying the three to "Camp Strawberry Fields." However, all the articles seem to indicate that the respective camps are for the detainment of an exclusive group of individiuals ranging in numbers from 14 - 16. User:Aneah 19:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Again consider merge

There has been little added to this article in two years, and its content is mostly related to the controversy over Guantanamo Bay homicide accusations, not facts or cites about Camp No itself. Once I move those comments to the appropriate article, there will be little left here. Perhaps this one should be deleted/merged. I've been adding to the article about Michael Bumgarner, and at least there is somewhat more to be said about him than one quote.Parkwells (talk) 20:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Camp No is not Camp 7

Camp No: (19.906983, -75.110426)

• http://harpers.org/archive/2010/03/the-guantanamo-suicides/

Camp 7: (19.914007, -75.122227)

• http://www.truth-out.org/emails-tell-attorneys-concerns-new-guantanamo-legal-mail-policy/1320327701

--92.226.187.67 (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

• I removed the claim Camp No is Camp Seven.

The Senate report established that the CIA had at least two distinct camps, at Guantanamo, prior to the 2004 Scotus ruling that gave captives there access to habeas corpus. Camp Seven/Camp Platinum had separate staff, separate administration, so it remained a CIA camp, even if it may nominally be classed as a military facility.

When CIA mole Abdurahman Khadr told his handlers he was finished he was kept, for close to a year, in an isolated compound. There is a reasonable possibility that this was a distinct facility from the CIA's other facilities.

Abbey Lane (Guantanamo) and Strawberry Fields (Guantanamo) were two distinct CIA facilities.

Could Camp No have been a repurposing of the old CIA facilities, after they were shut down? Yes, but I don't believe there are any RS that publicly speculated on this. This makes this kind of conflation original research.

Camp Seven was opened in September 2006. Two years after the CIA camps were shut down, and three months after the June 2006 murders. Geo Swan (talk) 15:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Recommend for deletion

I recommend this article be deleted or merged into a similar article.

1. The primary source for "Camp No" seems to be a single 2010 article in Harper's Magazine, which relied on an interview with guards who had a nickname for a camp they did not work at and could only speculate about. Without other sources, it's impossible to say if the camp existed as described, what its real name is/was, or whether it's distinct from other rumored camps such as Strawberry Fields (Guantanamo).

2. The entire section on homicides references the well-known 2006 triple suicides which occurred in Camp I (see Cucullu, Gordon (2009). Inside Gitmo: The True Story Behind the Myths of Guantanamo Bay (Kindle ed.). Harper Collins. p. 102. This article claims it was a conspiracy to cover up homicides in Camp No. These allegations, as well as the following sharp rise in suicides, is covered more thoroughly in the article Guantanamo Bay detention camp suicide attempts. The possibility that this cover-up was related to a potential 'Camp No' is, again, only based on speculation- this time from an attorney who was not there and did not represent anyone involved in the incident.

If we incorporate that entire section to the wiki on Guantanamo Bay suicide attempts, all we're left with is a guard reporting rumors to Harper's. That speculation should be incorporated into one of the other articles dealing with Guantanamo Bay, instead of having a unique article. Since we don't have good, declassified information as sources, the best we can do for readers is to compile the information together in one article. Canute (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)