Talk:New Birth of Freedom Council

Copyright issues?

There looks like there are copyright issues with this article, but I'm still a newbie, and am really not confortable yet with the instructions here, so I'm just going to add the sources, and ask that someone else look this over to see if I really did spot a issue. Thanks --63.224.140.19 07:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the copyright violation (copyvio) instructions are rather confusing. It does look like the text is taken wholesale from [1]. Here is what we do for this article:

1. Cut out the offending text and note the copyvio in the summary edit (look at the article history).
2. Since this chops this particular article to a stub, add a Scout-stub tag (edit the page to see this).
3. Done for now.

We could look at the history, figure out who left the text and leave a message that we made this change due to a copyvio. but User:Tuckahoescouter does not have a talk or dicsussion page, so this is probably pointless.

The only time you need to slap the copyvio tag on an article is if you cannot remove the text and leave something. IMHO, the copyvio procedure is over-used since most of the issues can be speedily resolved by a good editor. The originating page does show "all rights reserved", so the inclusion of this text was bad. Even text that is not copyrighted for some reason should not be included wholesale: see Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources.

The other things wrong with this article is that the song is not encylopedic, and the name is wrong: . I have no idea why, but it seems like everyone who adds a camp is adding some song or other. I'm going to leave it be and let you edit it as you desire at this point. Remember, you can't really break anything that you can't revert, so be bold. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the article name issue by adding a new article with an exact copy of the state of the article at the time and then changing this article location to a redirect. Thanks -- Argon233 22:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Four Chaplains

Another plan for the future is the memorial chapel for which a site has been cleared, but which will not be started this Summer. To honor the late Rabbi [Alexander D.] Goode, one of the four chaplains who gave up their life preservers to others and thus perished in the sinking of the Troopship S. S. Dorchester during the war, members of the Jewish fraternity raised about $15,000 for the chapel. Rabbi Goode, a former York Clergyman, and Scout leader of Troop 37, was active in youth work.

http://www.yaac-bsa.org/camping/tuckahoe/Camp%20Tuckahoe%20History.pdf --evrik 20:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Prior article

Please see this link for history of previous edits on the article with the origional name, and see Talk:Camp Tuckahoe, York-Adams Area Council, Boy Scouts of America for prior discussions on this topic. Thanks -- Argon233 21:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

expansion request

In compliance with Scouting WikiProject policy on sub-council entities, I propose the expansion of this article into a larger York-Adams Area Council article, with information added from Scouting_in_Pennsylvania#York-Adams_Area_Council. Local articles really need to be council level rather than by camp or lodge. Examples of good Council articles include Cradle of Liberty Council and Chester County Council, all others have been or are stubs, and we really are trying to avoid sub-council articles. Chris 01:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• I really think the prior article was better. I think it should be moved back to the old name, and the text article moved to the Scouitng in Pennsylvania article. --evrik 14:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• There being no objection, I'm going to go ahead and make the changes to Talk:Camp Tuckahoe. --evrik 18:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Verifiability and Original Research

Per Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, the following claims need sources to verify them. Facts must be backed by citations to reliable sources that contain these facts.

• The site was formerly a hunting camp which the Council purchased on March 21, 1947 to replace Camp Ganoga.
• Construction on the property started in the spring of 1947, and the first camping season got underway the next year on June 27, 1948.
• The Memorial Mall and adjoining Chapels are the centerpiece of the camp.
• The recently renovated (but still unused) indoor chapel at the top of the mall was dedicated in memory of Rabbi Goode, one of the Four Chaplains from the USAT Dorchester.
• Each year, during the designated Cub Scout week's, operation is organized around a theme relating to one of the theme areas. During the week there are many activities centered around the theme of the year. There is a good guy and a villain.
• The concurrent Good Guys have been...Justin Amsler '03, Dave Carey "King Dave" '04, Dave Carey "Commandant Carey" '05, Dave Carey "Indiana Dave" '06, Wesley Heyser "Sheriff"

I have placed {{fact}} tags by these claims. Do not remove these tags without providing a source for the claim they are attached to. MinsiPatches 04:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• While I agree that the article needs to be improved, I have reverted your edits as they are part of you pattern of tagging camp pages in retaliation for the deletion of Camp Minsi. --evrik ^(talk) 14:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)