Talk:Campaign hat

Not a ranger hat

http://www.millerhats.com/productimages/162.jpg That's a ranger hat, the kind Fidel Castro wore. Ranger hat should have its own article, and should NOT redirect here. I had a hell of a time finding the name of this type of hat, even though I see a lot of people wearing them. Sandwiches99 (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean the patrol cap; never hear it called a ranger hat. Ranger in this context is a reference to forest ranger. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 22:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the US Forest Service does not wear the campaign hat, despite the fact their "Smokie the Bear" does. It's the US National Park Service which iconically wears the campaign hat. Wschart (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:19, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Unsatisfactory sentence

"The origins of the hat can be traced to the 1840s when army troops posted in the west happily donned themselves civilian hats which were far more practical than the shakos or kepis then in vogue with most western armies."

The above sentence is somewhat unsatisfactory. The word "west" and "western" appear. Does the first reference mean "the west" of the United States ? Does the second reference to "western armies" refer to the US armies in the west, or "western" as in West European/North American? Eregli bob (talk) 15:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Good points. If you tag these with {{vague}}, we can get this fixed. I'm going to be out of the net for the next week. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 16:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be some mention that SoCal radio legend "Shotgun Tom" Kelly has made a campaign hat his signature look for decades now, probably the only media type on the planet that has done so?99.99.22.25 (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Montana crease or Montana peak?

Photo caption and first paragraph say the distinctive crown is a Montana crease. First paragraph of the history section says Montana peak. I suspect peak is the correct term: metaphorically, it seems closer to the shape of the hat and also closer to common usage (at least for peaked _caps_). Creases, on the other hand, are more or less linear, as front to back. The crease/peak distinction seems to be pretty consistent in hat ads, though as authoritative sources they of course remain ... ads. 71.171.24.205 (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

We need to base any changes on what reliable sources say, as opposed to speculation or personal opinion. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Were not the US Army felt hats of the Spanish-American War and earlier also referred to as "campaign hats" even though they had a fore-and-aft crease rather than a "lemon squeezer" Montana Peak? Should "campaign hat" be defined by the crease style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.80.149 (talk) 00:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The concept of this article is confusing. From a US perspective it reads like a history of the US Army "Campaign Hat" which covers all broad-brimmed hats used by the US army from the 1840s, irrespective of the shape.

But then the article claims any Montana-peaked hats around the world as "campaign hats", even though the British/South African, Scouts, and Canadian versions pre-date the US Montana-Peaked hat by at least a decade. It doesn't make sense. 80.76.167.196 (talk) 11:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

The article also doesn’t explain that the crease used in the US is not the sane as the original style. Compare the photos! There is the usual implicit assumption that the rest of the world is like the US. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 19:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

"Lemon Squeezer"

This phrase appears five times in the body of the section on the New Zealand army and two more times in the rest of the entry (once in a caption, once in a foootnote). I think that whoever went to the trouble of inserting it over and over again into this article should give at least a cursory explanation as to how the hat got that nickname, bMrStiv (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)ecause after looking at the hat I don't have the faintest idea of why it would be called a "lemon squeezer."MrStiv (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

• The term arises from a glass or plastic utensil used for pressing juice out of fruit. In profile it matches the military hat and the nickname is in almost universal use in New Zesland. I will put an explanatory footnote into the main text of the article. Buistr (talk) 23:43, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

It was a derogatory term for “land Scouts” used by we Sea Scouts in the early 1960s, here in Australia, because their hat in our ribald opinion resembled the lemon-squeezing dish used by our Mums in our kitchens, in an age when Mums stayed home and made and kept a home for their family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.237.49 (talk) 06:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)