Talk:Canaanite shipwreck

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 11:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?

• Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd0l1wk8qo

• ALT1: ... that the Orca Shipwreck, the earliest deep-sea shipwreck discovered, was recently found near Israel? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd0l1wk8qo
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Created by Owenglyndur (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Owenglyndur (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC).

• According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• New enough and long enough. Hook fact checks out. Nominator was QPQ-exempt. They have been indefinitely blocked for copyvio issues, though Earwig gives a clean bill of health to the existing sources in page, at least in English. Given the nominator's block, I would like this to be double-checked by someone with Hebrew fluency before approval to see if there is copyvio to the Hebrew-language source in this page. I will manage any changes necessary. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• I agree that given the circumstances, a copyvio check of other language sources is essential. Without that, this should not go any further. Schwede66 17:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• If the nominator has been blocked for copyright violations, and no one has stepped forward to offer to check the sources, then I think it's time to close this as unsuccessful. We have enough nominations that this does not have to run. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

• I reviewed it and while I didn't see any copyvio I also in an abundance of caution edited it and added a number of google-translated sources. ALT1 is shorter so punchier and my preference. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:45CF:48FA:4F1F:A7EF (talk) 05:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Orca?

Why orca? Where was the ship called by that name? "Karish" is more appropriate here הסטודנט החופשי (talk) 01:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi

The name Orca was chosen as it appears in the article in "Haartz" (my mistake forgot to add it as a source) which was the first place i read about the find. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 06:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Energean were surveying for the future Katlan field (not the existing Karish one). "Katlan"="orca".

I have changed the title of the article to Canaanite shipwreck which seems consistent with other similar articles. Most sources such as the BBC and Scientific American seem to refer to it in such a generic way as it doesn't seem to have a proper name yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Speculation

If Google's translation of their article is at all accurate, it seems that the IAA are speculating somewhat, particularly here: "According to Yaakov Sharvit, director of the Maritime Archeology Unit at the Antiquities Authority, "It seems that the ship was wrecked as a result of a distress encountered in a sea storm, or perhaps in the event of an encounter with pirates - a phenomenon known from the Bronze Age. This is the first and earliest shipwreck discovered to date in the deep sea in the eastern Mediterranean, At a distance of about 90 km from the coast line. This is a world-class sensation: the discovery shows the impressive navigational abilities of the ancients - the kind that made it possible to cross the Mediterranean Sea without any eye contact with the shore - since from this distance you can only see the horizon line around. Most likely, the navigation was done using the heavenly bodies - with the help of calculating the angles of the sun and the stars." That article is rather publicity-seeking in tone. I have not yet found any scholarly presentation, nor any commentary by expert sources independent of the IAA. - Davidships (talk) 17:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the IAA were the only ones who had done research on this shipwreck, therefore they are the only ones who can present the facts they found. Owenglyndur (talk) 13:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Indeed that's probably right at present, but they don't only present facts. The only facts that the IAA present are the finding of remains of a wreck 90km from the coast, which on examination consist of a cargo of pots, which have been dated; based on that, they have also estimated the size of the ship and its cargo. Unless IAA have additional material about which they have been totally silent, the rest is speculation. Haaretz quotes the IAA as saying "Either it was very lost or the ancients had navigational skills we weren't aware of", but they don't even admit to the former possiblity in their own article. We should therefore present this cautiously. In due course some better quality sources will emerge. - Davidships (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)