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Real Truckers In Canada

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Canada has "169 000" (Numbers agreed by legally recognized and authorized trucker associations of Canada and the Canadian governement) legally licensed truckers, 97% of them have been vacinated and followed the sanitary and safety and health demands. 120 Trucks where rented or used ( some license collected by the Police force in presence have reported US and foreign ( Mexico and South American Country trucks and license) by Anti-Vaxx for this Anti-Vaxx and Anti-Mask and anti-health passport and anti-Covid measures, ostly by CONServathieves

The Numbers shown should reflect that "specifically" if you also inclue personnal vehicule of CONServathieves and extreme right and nazi group behind this event you should include the TOTAL number of personnal vehicule in ONTARIO and that of All of Canada.

Also the numbers of Trucker is 120 and CONsvrthieves and NAzi and PPC and other radical and terrorist of the right group should be account for th others and majority. ou of the TOTAL numbers of ALL Canadians.

Whas this a convoy for freedom or by truckers ? No freedom by legal people was lost, only terrorist , bio terrorist and anti science people where arrested and fined. 120 Truck most of which from foreign Country ( vased on license ) and or rental in foreign country in origins out of 169 000 Legal licensed and doing business vacinated in Canada.

THE DEATH penalty was asked for the CONServathieve and CON$$ extremist radical off-shoot PPC (people party of Russia backers) , Ilegally Rental Seditionsit never elected Mavericks, NAZI and TERRORIST who continue to put the lives of Canadian in Danger over their foreign financial spying and propagandist disruptive allegiance that go in the opposite of a safe and healthy Canada and Canadians lives. As per the Canadian Constitution mandate on foreign spying that kills Canadian or endanger and threaten to kill any of the legal citizen of Canada.

This article need to differentiate clearly between Elected and officials and NON-official non elected and Party who have never been elected.

Spreading disease in the food delivery system = Life in prison for bio-terrorism. ( We have poisonning and infecting precedent in the legal system why is this "COVID" spreading any diffrent ?

Company in the food delivery sector who support Covid spreaders in any capacity should see their business license revoked their entire Management jailed fo 20 years for Bio-terrorism with the employee who spread deadly viruses jailed for 40 years. With MILLIONS per person infected or who died directly due to their virus spreading.

Conservathieve and LIEBerals who tried to spread SARS due to them refusing to get vacined got jailed and fined and made compensation to their victims.

Many Hotels and Motels and restaurant are now marked has infected and quarantined and to avvoid in the press doing irreprable damages to the City of Ottawa all for the dangerous and cirminal ideology of the right and conservathieves who hate sciences. Will HTe LIEBerals conpensate them for the Quanrantine and cleaning they must suffer for the inability of Lieberals of Canada to stop this Bio Terrorism and covid spreading attack in Ottawa that was planned and funded by the right and their foreign financial backers in NAZI group worldwide and republican and CONServathieves think tank anti health and anti science groups ?

Did Facebook and other Social Media who are paid by clicks not again allowed miss-information and Bio-terrorism to spread due to the fact that it was profitable for them ?

Did GoFundME allowed a terrorist nazi based group to use it's system under false pretense, againt their own term of services, to fund their radical and mostly illegal party and ideology of the right that lead to preventable deaths in the past and probably infection and death from this amssive super spreader in the cold event?

Will Scheer, O'tooles, Maxime Bernier, Mavericks leaders and rental Province PM who supported the deaths threats against sitting elected official be arrested and prosecuted to the ful extant of the law for their leading of this Bio-Terorrist planned event ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.159.46.12 (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Day 2 of destruction and desecration in Ottawa by the paid by foreign rightist and CONServathieves fake convoy

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60190452

Police have started investigations after several incidents, including the appearance of swastika flags and footage of a woman dancing on the tomb of the unknown soldier.

Defence Minister Anita Anand said the incidents were "beyond reprehensible".

Ottawa police said in a Twitter post that "several" investigations were now under way into the "desecration" of a number of monuments in the capital city,

as well as "threatening/illegal/intimidating behaviour to police/city workers and other individuals and damage to a city vehicle".

Elsewhere across the city, truckers blocked the streets around Canada's parliament building and

Ottawa's Mayor Jim Watson said some protesters had harassed staff at a soup kitchen, demanding free meals after they were turned away by restaurants for their refusal to comply with indoor mask mandates.

push to an end to all vaccine mandates nationwide, and some demonstrators have pledged to continue their protests until they are removed.

Conservative leader Erin O'Toole has met some of the protesters and has spoken in favour of the right

The US has also recently said that foreign truck drivers must show proof of vaccination to enter the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.159.46.12 (talk) 07:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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VANDALISM

This page is sure to generate a bunch of vandalism over the coming days as people attempt to form an online narrative about the protest. Please keep all items factual, unbiased and cited appropriately from reputable sources. Also, keep copies of controversial items here in the Talk page for restoration if the page is vandalized. Matt Austin (talk) 06:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

STOP allowing the "extremism" claims through onto the page, this is undermining this movement and is completely unacceptable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.108.215 (talk) 15:36, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

"Unbiased" Lol. This is Wikipedia. Your version of "defacement" of a statue is hanging a flag and sign from it. Anyone who has spent ANY time on Twitter or Youtube watching actual footage of the protest knows that this article is a load of crap. It's just parroting the mainstream media's false narrative. There has been no violence, no looting, no burning, no hate. That's the truth. So you can bunker this article all you like; it changes nothing. Everyone who cares to know what really happened isn't going to come here to see it. 24.66.34.97 (talk) 21:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Another reminder that Wikipedia is not a FORUM. CaffeinAddict (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

The truth

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• Wish everyone would do proper research. The convoy is NOT just about the vaccine mandate. It’s about a our freedoms and rights that Trudeau is skinning from us Canadians!!!!! If we don’t speak up, we won’t be heard. 209.52.88.75 (talk) 02:43, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

• The original intent of convoy was to protest the cross-border proof-of-vaccine requirements which went into effect for Canada on January 15, 2022. If the intent of the convoy has now changed then update it under the Stated Belief section. Matt Austin (talk) 05:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

A reminder that wikipedia is WP:NOTFORUM. CaffeinAddict (talk) 07:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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Freedomconvoy 2022

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Wikipedia the way you have portrayed this focuses on all the right things. Of course you are trying to smear it. The truckers are protesting the end of ALL covid mandates for all Canadians. This group supports all people and races and is for everyone, that’s right from their go fund me page. Why don’t you read their mission statements? 74.96.190.99 (talk) 07:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

"The truckers are protesting the end of ALL covid mandates for all Canadians." - Please provide a reliable source. Gofundme is not accepted. SystemEff (talk) 14:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

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Political science perspective

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"Political science professor Duane Bratt joins Global News Morning Calgary to discuss the politics behind the truckers’ “freedom convoy” protest against COVID-19 mandates." [1] SystemEff (talk) 15:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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Live coverages of protest

• https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trucker-convoy-canada-freedom-ottowa-b2002815.html
• https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/covid-19-freedom-convoy-2022-news

SystemEff (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Associated complaints and demands from the group -- concerning non-Federal issues

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The association that has agglomerated onto the Freedom Convoy has laid a variety of complaints oand demands that have nothing to do with the federal government. This should also be covered in the article, such as local/provincial lockdowns and mandates, which are controlled by the provinces -- 65.92.246.142 (talk)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2022

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65.95.185.27 (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Speaking to CTV News Channel on Saturday, Private Motor Truck Council of Canada president Mike Millian said surveys the organization has done suggest the number is closer to about 75 per cent. (of truckers are vaccinated)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2022

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207.148.176.160 (talk) 05:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

There has been stated to be 2.5 million people on foot and there is 1.8 million vehicles 1.0 million truckers and counting and 800 thousand 4 wheelers

It will continue to grow

 Not done: claims of this sort have already been shown to be grossly exaggerated. See discussions above, or the "misinformation" section of the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 05:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2022 (2)

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change "conducted by truck drivers" to "organized by non-truck drivers allegedly on behalf of truckers, though very few actual truckers have taken part" 47.55.230.108 (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 20:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2022

It is a protest against ALL mandates, not only the borders mandates. Source : Freedom Convoy 2022 organiser, Tamara Lich. 204.48.94.34 (talk) 02:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a source. CaffeinAddict (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

This protest is about vaccine mandates for everyone. Not just for cross border truck drivers.

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A correction needs to be made when it comes to the reason behind the convoy/protest. What is actually being protested is vaccine mandates all together. However this article states that its just about vaccine mandates for cross border truck drivers. I have seen many news articles and videos that have got this simple fact incorrect as well. Ive spoke to a large number of those attending this protest. I am best friends with one of the cross border truckers who are there currently. I am also friends with multiple other truck drivers who are there, and some who are not there (due to having family responsibilities or other obligations that make them unable to attend). All of those ive spoke with have stated many times that this is about medical mandates for everyone, because the government should not get to tell anyone what must go into their bodies. Not only that, but from what ive gathered online while reading social media posts from both those attending, and those who are literally located across the globe in support of this convoy/protest, the general consensus is that this is about vaccine mandates for EVERYONE. I have also found that i have not been the only one trying to correct people, when it comes to this. Regardless whether there is an effort to mislead people about this, or mainstream news places arent actually looking into it very deeply at all... i dont know. But if wikipedia is the source for information, like they claim.. then they should get their facts straightened and make this correction immediately. Otherwise its false information, misleading, and deceptive. 108.160.91.20 (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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A lot of the information on this page is incorrect and incredibly misleading

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The Freedom Convoy 2022 is a peaceful protest against all federal and provincial COVID-19 mandates imposed by the government. An estimated 2.3 million people arrived on January 29, 2022 from coast to coast to protest for Canadian’s rights. While government-funded media tries to taint the protest as white nationalism, the reality is that the trucks are joined by people coast to coast to stand up for EVERYONE regardless of the colour of your skin, regardless of your job title, regardless of what political party you voted for, regardless of where you were born, regardless of what religion you believe in, etc.

This movement is bringing Canadians back together and unifying our country at a time when it has never been more divided.

The entire focus of the freedom convoy is to end all mandates for everyone. Feel safer wearing a mask? No problem. Feel like wearing a mask does more harm than good? No problem. Don’t feel safe taking the v? No problem. Feel safer getting your booster? No problem. You’re a nurse? No problem. You’re a trucker? No problem. You’re BIPOC? No problem. You’re white? No problem. 2605:8D80:62D:160C:1167:217B:6EED:8776 (talk) 01:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This entire page is leftist propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.33.183 (talk) 02:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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'Civil conflict' infobox incorrect & overly inflammatory language.

• Removing 'civil conflict' - this is a stated peaceful protest, and the language used here connotes violence, which has not occurred. To date The Government of Canada and Canada Unity are not involved in military or paramilitary action against one another.Carlcarlsonvt (talk) 01:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

• Agree - not a civil war with defined sides Matt Austin (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

All protests use the civil conflict infobox. CaffeinAddict (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Potential section: Organization of protest in the US

As for Feb 1st the Facebook group 'CONVOY TO DC 2022' has 124K members. A. --192.114.3.241 (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

Vast majority of information is very biased and does not reflect true situation. A lot of presumed incidents are reported as true. If you go to sources they are only presumed underinvestigation yet in wiki it is misleading people to believe that this is concluded case. Wiki must stand neutral and delete all wordings like most Canadians most truck industry because this is base ground less claims. Survey were not conducted. 209.171.88.123 (talk) 17:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Declined Edit requests should be accompanied by a clear and specific description of the requested change. See Wikipedia:Edit_requests Vexations (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This is very biased page. Please monitor to delete all groundless articles as sources. Just bc cbc claimed something that does not mean it is true. They are very biased media source and is unreliable. Please report only facts and monitor of this page is gov influenced.

Vast majority of information is very biased and does not reflect true situation. A lot of presumed incidents are reported as true. If you go to sources they are only presumed underinvestigation yet in wiki it is misleading people to believe that this is concluded case. Wiki must stand neutral and delete all wordings like most Canadians most truck industry because this is base ground less claims. Survey were not conducted. 209.171.88.123 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

But you haven't specified what exactly you think is inaccurate? 139.138.6.30 (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

change "One man who was carrying a confederate flag" to "One mask-wearing man who was carrying a confederate flag" 2A00:23C8:2202:6201:2CB8:3256:DFC:C266 (talk) 20:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

If I was carrying a Confederate flag I'd be covering my face too. 139.138.6.30 (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Is the mask-wearing in any way notable? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Winnipeg protest detail

In the Winnipeg Protest section, consider clarifying that the man who drove through protesters was a "radical far-left Antifa member". Relevant because it clarifies that this was a counter protester and a violent response to the protests win Winnipeg. Alternatively you could simply clarify that it was a counter protester without the (maybe more inflammatory) antifa detail.

Example source (though there are many if you search "Dave Zegarac antifa" https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/man-charged-in-freedom-convoy-2022-attack-identified-as-radical-far-left-antifa-member/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.182.148.232 (talk) 07:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

All I can find that backs this up are far-right media sources. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 18:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wgullyn: You can read about it in the New york post: https://nypost.com/2022/02/08/canada-trucker-protest-hit-and-run-suspect-is-antifa-punk-rocker-david-zegarac/. But that is probably "far right" as well? Wikipedia showing its extreme left-wing bias as usual. Mårtensås (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mårtensås: Per our sources guideline, New York Post is considered "generally unreliable". "There is consensus that the New York Post is generally unreliable for factual reporting especially with regard to politics" >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 21:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Can we please change the archive period to 7 days?

This talk page is over 100 kB. Can we please change the archive period from 36 days to 7 days?

I’ll fix that I thought it was actually set to 3 days. CaffeinAddict (talk) 17:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done CaffeinAddict (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

It was set to 3 days, someone changed it to 36 hours. You changed it to 7 hours, I've just corrected it to 7 days (168 hours). Personally I think 3 days was fine but I'll go with consensus. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh - thank you Ivanvector sorry about the mix up. CaffeinAddict (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Reply - @Ivanvector:, I am OK with 3 days, as well as closing the existing move request. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I actually support 3 days as well. CaffeinAddict (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Reply - Now that this page is over 200 kB, I support one day archiving. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

The archive has been moved to 72 hours (3 days). CaffeinAddict (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I switched it back to 3 a few days ago based on comments here. I do not support 1-day archiving, that's too fast: at 3 days we're already seeing new (to the discussion page) editors coming here and bringing up things that we just finished talking about; at 1 day it will be far worse. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Organizer

I am just wondering if there is one person or a group that is the formal orangizer. 2001:569:FB86:9300:3D8F:A63F:DA16:4AEF (talk) 05:20, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The initial convoy fundraising was started by Tamara Lich and B. J. Dichter, see the "Fundraising" section. At Ottawa itself, it seems moderately de-centralized, with others speaking on behalf of the group. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:06, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The protest goals section says that Canada Unity is one of the main organizers, but I don't think that there is one person/group that is doing all of the organizing. >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 14:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Section on counter protests?

Mentions of counter protests are dispersed throughout the text, how about merging those into their own section? I'd say section 3 or 4 (just before or after Security). Also, the Communications section (5) and Possible spread of COVID-19 (9) are not getting developed, we should probably find those paragraphs a home in another section. I could do those changes, if editors active on this page think they're worthwhile. Robincantin (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Robincantin:, Good ideas and initiative.Oceanflynn (talk) 18:20, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I say go ahead. We're going to have to reorganize this article eventually and deal with duplicated information and events that apply to more than one of the current sections, but it will be helpful to have that material in the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:10, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. Please check my work. Robincantin (talk) 02:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Current Event Tag

This article should be labelled as a current event in order to inform readers about the fast-changing or speculative nature of the article, as per WP:CET. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SepehrSama (talk • contribs) 15:40, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@SepehrSama: please note that it is convention on Wikipedia to add new comments at the bottom of talk pages. I have moved your comment, otherwise other editors who are used to looking for new topics at the bottom may not see it.

The tag is not intended to inform readers that the event is ongoing, we should describe it that way in the article (and we do). It's intended to advise readers and editors that the article is being edited at an unusually high rate because of an ongoing event. Someone has apparently decided to run a bot to remove the tag from articles that aren't being edited frequently enough, and this one must not meet whatever arbitrary threshold they set because the bot keeps removing it. However, given the sentiment and because plenty of editors have tried to add it only for the bot to remove it, I will add {{current event editnotice}} as a note to users editing the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: Thanks a lot for the detailed information. Sorry for the newbie mistakes! -SepehrSama 17:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding "military style" vehicle in BC blockade

The cited article actually only says "privately-owned truck painted in military-style", whereas current wording implies a vehicle similar to what is used by the military, which can be misleading 2001:569:FCB6:BD00:8D48:6043:683F:88A6 (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done diff here >>> Wgullyn.talk(); 01:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Title

Please refrain from using the language invented by the organizers of what has clearly and justifiably been labeled by government as illegal action. I'd go for something like "idiocracy insurrection" but I appreciate that will not pass muster. However, given the statements from the organizers own mouths, the title must be changed to reflect the fact that is is not an action by any meaningful portion of the trucking industry, nor is it really about vaccines. It's an attempt to subvert Canadian democracy. Perhaps a more neutral title would be "Illegal blockades of 2022" 2001:56A:F85C:C900:5561:71B5:BE4D:4067 (talk) 08:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd disagree. Freedom Convoy 2022 is how it is widely regarded, including by media. It would be a disservice to users searching for the topic to change it to something vague like "Illegal blockades of 2022." RoyalObserver (talk) 11:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

The article has already been moved to "Canada convoy protest" not long after you commented. That was after a very long discussion in an earlier section of this talk page -- see here: [2] No more discussion is needed (unless someone wants to start up another big move discussion). ☺Coppertwig (talk) 15:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikilink to COVID-19 vaccination mandates in Canada

Oceanflynn - when this article is ready I believe it should be linked from this article. CaffeinAddict (talk) 02:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks CaffeinAddict, Some of the content in this mandates article includes your useful contributions in other related articles. I will link it.Oceanflynn (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)