Talk:Canadair CL-215

Purpose-built?

I don't understand the use of "purpose built" in the first sentence. Aren't all aircraft purpose built? HistoryBA 19:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

You have to take it in context of the sentence, the aircraft was purpose built for fire fighting, where as other aircraft may be for cargo transport, passenger transport, etc. -Dawson 17:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Which gets back to my original question, aren't all aircraft purpose-built? HistoryBA 20:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Many are designed to serve multiple roles, while purpose-built aircraft are designed with one singular purpose in mind. -Dawson 21:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The CL-215 and CL-415 were designed from the start as firefighting aircraft. (Purpose built) for firefighting unlike some of the retardant bombers such as the P-3, P-2V, and S-2s to name a few. Those aircraft were designed for naval patrol missions and were later adapted for firefighting. Even the single engine air tankers (SEATs) were originally designed for crop dusting.Flyinfloats (talk) 05:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)flyinfloats

Nickname contradiction

The Lead claims that the CL-215s nickname is "Superscooper", while the "Operational history" section claims the primary nickname is "Scoopers", and that the turboprop versions (CL-215T, CL-415) are known as "Super Scoopers". Given that both statements are unsourced, I'm more inclined to toss all the nicknames, rather than leave contradictory and unsourced statements in the text. - BillCJ 01:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Why not mark the note with a fact citation tag and see if it can be verified? One of my friends is a CL-215 driver, I can get a source from him if required or at least he can point me in the direction of a reference source. Bzuk 06:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC).

• OK, good idea. - BillCJ 06:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The CL-215, CL-215T and -415 have been marketed as "Superscoopers" by Bombardier in the United States. This information comes directly from Bombardier's Amphibious Division website: http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_3/3_3_0.html. Having flown CL-215s in the United States, they are commonly referred to as Scoopers or Tankers. Flyinfloats (talk) 05:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)flyinfloats

CL-215T or CL-415?

Sources:

• Spanish Air Force CL-215T page
• Spanish Air Force CL-415 page

According to the image info, the plane in the pic's "Register Number" is UD13-16 / 43-16 (cn 1057), and the pic was take on May 15, 2005. The CL-215T's local designation is UD-13, while the 415's is UD-14. The first CL-415 entered Spanish service in 2006. Also note the full-length national fin-flash on the rudder, which is seen on the CL-215T on the SAF page, but not on the CL-415's page. These all lead me to conclude that the aircraft in the pic is in fact a CL-215T, not a CL-415. Please provide sources to counter this before trying to remove the pic again. Thanks. - BillCJ 19:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I know this no longer in dispute but thought it worth mentioning, if you look at the image it has CL-215T on the rudder ! MilborneOne (talk) 14:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, someone just changed it back to CL415! Sheesh! I'm going to edit the Commons image page, and put part of my post above there. - BillCJ (talk) 02:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Amazingly, in 2009, a user removed it, and added it back to the 415 page. Since the article has no images of CL-215Ts, I've added restored the photo here, and removed it from the 415 page again. We'll see how long it lasts this time. - BilCat (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Operators

Portugal doesn't operate any Canadair. Like other firefighting planes, helicopters, those eventually operated by the country are leased seasonally every year off the national, international market. The only civilian planes permanently operated by the country are 6 Kamov Ka-32A11BC and 3 Eurocopter AS-350B3 Ecureuil (a fourth having been lost in operation), operated by EMA: http://www.ema-sa.pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=23. 95.95.98.163 (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done - It was unsourced anyway and so can be removed any time, so, based on what you have presented here I have removed it. Thank you for pointing it out. - Ahunt (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Engine rotation direction

The original 215 had both engines rotating in the same direction rather than counter-rotating engines. This was to reduce maintenance costs I was told - fewer parts than with two slightly different engines. As a result, there were features to counteract the net angular momentum (such as some asymmetry in the empennage).

When the redesign was done to convert to turboprop, were the new engines counter-rotating or did they continue to use identical engines? The article mentions changes to the empennage for improved performance - was this part of it? 99.245.230.104 (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Yugoslavia

The Republic of Croatia (former member of Yugoslavia, which does not exist anymore), proudly uses Scooper. So you can remove Yugoslavia and put proper names of countries. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.179.135 (talk)

Yugoslavia is a former operator, and is listed under the "Former operators" section, as it should be. - BilCat (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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South Korean Operators

As seen on the TV show “Ice Pilots” a company in South Korea purchased one Canadair CL-215 from Buffalo Airways. However I’m struggling to find any further information on this deal and whether it’s still in operation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.82.185 (talk) 14:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

lead image

The image that was in use shows the CL-215 very small, which defeats the reason for it being a lead image.

The replacement is better sizewise and is clearer, however it doesn't show the waterbomber doing its thing.

I cropped the original - which I think is the best option, and I found another image, however it is a 215T, and isn't in yellow, and so doesn't stand out. I would lean against using an image of a 215T due to possible confusion with a 415.

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  original
• first change
  first change
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  cropped
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  215T
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  215T that's often labeled as a 415

- NiD.29 (talk) 22:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I think that the cropped original is best. You really want it dropping a load, which shows what it does, plus the yellow colour scheme is factory standard. A agree that the lede image should be a radial engined 215, too. - Ahunt (talk) 22:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I concur with Ahunt on the cropped version of the current lead photo. And yes, even the yellow CL-215Ts are often mistaken for 415s; the photo I added even has "CL-215T" at the bottom of the rudder, yet it occasionally shows up in the 415 article! BilCat (talk) 22:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

From the photo's usage info, it's used in several interwiki 415 articles. Sigh. BilCat (talk) 22:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

That was my worry. 215T images should be buried down in the page, in the variants section, not as the lead. Thanks for the heads up on the other, I will update those. - NiD.29 (talk) 23:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC) Turns out there were several 215T images being mislabelled or misused as 415s (including as the lead in a 415 page where it was actually properly labelled) - I have corrected all the ones I found. - NiD.29 (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Good work, it all looks better now! - Ahunt (talk) 23:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)