Talk:Canadian Military Pattern truck/Archives/2014

26 Mar 14 infobox

This is for a specific model. If it has too narrow a focus, feel free to delete it.Sammy D III (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Not Delete - Signifigant Military Vehicles and Unique Achievement

If you mean delete the whole CMP trucks entry, then NO. CMP are whole series of vechiles based on a common platform, which formed the primary mid-weight trucks of the Commonwealth in WWII. With over 400,000 produced in Canada, and additional production in Australia and India, they were very signifigant vehicles.

CMP is signifigant for another reason also and your confusion over being "one model" belies it. CMP's greatest achievement is argueably they were and may still be the most standardized line of military vehicles produced by any nation (Allied, Axis, or anyone else). This allowed Canada, mid-war to produce over 500,000 trucks (CMP plus non-CMP) or 1 truck per 22 person (and the 5 years olds weren't very good at truck assembly, I'm told). Additionally it accounts for why they often remained in use in liberated countries long after trucks built by their parent companies in the USA for the USA military had been abandoned (try and find a part for an Osmobile or Cadillac v8 in the Netherlands).

See also my "wrong about engines" comment, understand the extraordinary degree of stanardization. Antifesto (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

You are talking to me, right? I have a lot of trouble communicating.

I put solid numbers for a 3-ton in an infobox. I do that with army trucks. I have been scolded for doing good numbers for one specific vehicle, instead of lame numbers for the whole range. If they don’t like my good numbers, they can delete them.

I get standards, I do US army trucks. And CMP must have been good, they kept building them. They could have changed to US designs at any time, they didn’t. Sammy D III (talk) 23:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

WRONG (not stanardized) "The Ford-built CMP trucks had a 239 cu in (3.9 L), 95 bhp (70.8 kW) V8 engine, while most of the Chevrolet-built CMP trucks had a 215 cu in (3.5 L), 85 bhp (63.4 kW) straight-6 overhead-valve engine."

Nope. It makes sense. What else could it be? But remarkably it is wrong.

In the USA, even within GM: Chevy military trucks had Chevy engines, Osmobile: Osmobile engines, Cadillac: Cadillac engines, etc.

CMP was not just a truck purchase order. CMP was a different idea. CMP trucks were stanardized. The desingers determined the best engines for military use and...

In 1936 the Canadian government met with the automobiles manufacturers to discuss war time production. The manufacturers agreed:

• Single rear tires trucks, regardless whether manufactured by Ford, GM, Chrysler, or Studebaker, would be fittted with a GM stovepipe 6 (and GM transmission)
• Dual rear tire trucks, regardless whether manufactured by Ford, GM, Chrysler, or Studebaker, would be fittted with a Ford flat head v8 (and Ford transmission).

Perhaps "agreed" is a euphonism, but boy would I love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting.

CMP are standardized in other ways also. In fact the spec defined almost everything about the trucks. Manufacturers could add their own radiator badge. Antifesto (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Using the Ford engine on dual tires sort of makes sense to me. Dual tires implies heavier loads, even though the ratings don’t show it. The Ford is the stronger engine, put it in the heavier truck.

My only source says Chevy/Chevy and Ford/Ford, no mention of tires. Same in the article, “Main Canadian-built types” paragraph 4 pretty much says no duals. Paragraph 1 does say “most”, though, whoever wrote it may have had some idea. And if a majority of Chevys had singles, that would be “most”, wouldn’t it?

Chrysler and Studebaker made CMPs?

That dual tire stuff is pretty good, if you can show it, you should put it in. Chrysler and Studebaker, too.

Note: there are 3 Chevy “stove-bolts” used in that war, 213s used in CMPs, 235s used in US Chevy 1 1/2 tons, and 270s used in GMC 2 1/2 tons. Sammy D III (talk) 22:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)