Talk:Canadian horse

Merge

Proposing a merge because, in my research to buff up both of these articles, it appears that most sources consider the Pacer to be a subtype of the Canadian horse, rather than a true breed. The information currently in the Pacer article is all that I could find on the breed in several hours of focused digging, so it would not be a bloat to this article to merge it here. Dana boomer (talk) 01:50, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Making the pacer a subsection will avoid content forking now, and if later it is independent enough, will be easy to spin back out. Montanabw^(talk) 22:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sasata (talk · contribs) 16:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Review coming soon. Sasata (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Comments

• flaxen redirects to flax, is that what was intended?
  • We do need to make up an article on flaxen genetics, except no one understands them very well, so in the meantime, we need the pretty blonde color. --MTBW
    • Changed to the link for the human hair color, it's a better link. MTBW is right that we need an article for the horse color...must get around to that one of these days - DB
• "and the cream gene appears in the breed as the result of the foals on one stallion." I'm confused, what did the foals do to make the cream gene appear?

• The genetic influence of one stallion. Tweaked. - DB

• is Canadian Livestock Registry Corporation worth a redlink?

• Supposed to be "Records", anyway, same as the link you ask about below. Answered there. - DB

• link gentleman farmer, breeding program

• Done. - DB

• "A studbook to inspect and approve breeding stock was established in 1885 as the Canadian Horse Breeders Association" as->by ?

• Sentence re-written. - DB

• Cap Rouge - our article on the subject hyphenates the name

• Fixed. - DB

• North American Driving Championship, Canadian Horse Heritage and Preservation Society, Canadian federal Animal Pedigree Act, Canadian Livestock Records Corporation - redlink-worthy?

• The first one I don't know. The second one probably not (we generally don't have articles on individual breed preservation societies/registries, the info is just merged into the article unless it's something big like the American Quarter Horse Association that registers millions of horses). The last two possibly? The act is almost definitely worthy of an article; I don't if there are enough reliable third-party sources about the CLRC to make them notable. For now, I've just added a red link to the act. - DB

• link genetic diversity, Symbols of Canada

• Done. Dana boomer (talk) 00:38, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

• "In 1909, the Canadian Parliament declared it the national breed of the country, in 2002 was made the official horse of Canada by Parliamentary Act." fix grammar

• Done.

• there's many duplicate links that should be trimmed

• Fixed. Ugh, hadn't realized I'd overlinked that much. - DB

• the link to "mass" is probably not the one intended!

• Fixed. - DB

• "Eventually these races became significant enough to endanger the church-going populace," I don't understand how an increase in "significance" endangers church-goers, please clarify

• I changed this to "larger", does this work? Basically, my impression from the source is that so many people/racing teams were coming to these meets that they clogged the roads, not to mention the potential damage done by a racing horse on icy roads hitting a buggy full of women and kids coming home from church. - DB

• Hendricks suggests that the Morgan horse derived from the Canadian horse, rather than Thoroughbred/Arab (although I vaguely remember from another review that you didn't consider the Hendricks source all that reliable?); not important for this article, but I notice the article on the Morgan horse doesn't mention the Canadian horse's influence on that breed

• Hendricks also mentions "The first horses were ultimately caught and carried off in 1616 by Samuel Argall's marauding expedition from Virginia. This was the first introduction of French-Canadian blood to American's eastern shores."
• mention that the Sable Island horses were descended from horses created in the late 17th-century breeding program?
• mention the French practice of docking the tails (which removed their fly-swatter defence)?
• mention that they were "shipped in great quantities to the West Indies" (and possibly contributed to the paso gaited breeds, says Lynghaug)

• Added, sourced to Lynghaug. - DB

• Canadian Horse Breeder's Association formed in 1895

• No, 1885, this must be a typo on Hendricks' part. - DB

• Hendricks also discusses the stud established after WWII in Deschambault, and the later 1979 auction of all 44 horses, which threatened the breed

• Added. - DB

• according to Lynghaug, there were about 150,000 horse in 1849

• mention that the original shipment from King Louis was in 1665, and that they were from "his Royal Stables of Normandy and Brittany, which at that time were the two most renowned horse breeding provinces of France."?
• this source also says that Arabians were among those sent from France
• this source discusses characteristics that made the horse useful in the American Civil War (and a quote "... it has even been said that the North won simply on the fact that its soldiers had the better horse–the Canadian.")

• I think I've got all of this in... - DB

• mention that Cornelius David Krieghoff included Canadian horses in several of his landscape paintings? (per here)?

• Added. - DB

Hi Sasata! A couple thoughts from WPEQ in general while we await Dana's more substantive replies; this is not really "my" article, so I will not go into much on the content. However, Hendricks and Lynhaug have the same basic weakness -- both works tend to uncritically copy the PR of the breed organizations, sometimes without the best fact-checking. This means that where a more specific source contradicts the more generalized works of these two authors, we usually have the specific trump the general. As for the Morgan thing, see our GA-quality Morgan horse for the view of what influenced the Morgan and vice-versa. As far as Hendrick's claims go, she's totally full of it on this one! (grin) I was just doing work on Homer Davenport, who imported the pure Arabian stallion Haleb straight from the Syrian desert in 1906 and the horse promptly won the Justin Morgan Cup. (In other words, the judges considered him to look like a classic, traditional Morgan!!) So I would thoroughly dimiss that particular assertion. Montanabw^(talk) 02:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sasata, and thank you for the review. I just wanted to leave a note to let you know that I have seen this; real life has just been a bit nutty over the past few days. I'm going to try to work on addressing your comments today, although it may be the weekend before I finish. Thanks again, Dana boomer (talk) 13:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries, take your time. Sasata (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've reread the article and made a few copyedits. All three images are properly licensed, and all of my suggestions above have been satisfactorily addressed. I think the article meets all of the GA criteria, so am promoting now. Cheers, Sasata (talk) 16:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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