Talk:Cananga odorata

Conflicting claims

I noticed the header maintained it translated as 'flower of flowers', but the etymology insisted this was incorrect. I'm siding with Encyclopedia Brittanica over a new wavy handbook as the more reliable, and removing the claim from the lead. (People after its meaning can go down to etymology easily enough) --2602:30A:2EA0:D9F0:90C0:B727:8DD7:2D2C (talk) 07:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

earlier comments

i was looking up essential oils and found that it was messing ou ton the uses of them in a medical or benafical way. I would like help adding in the uses of this way in to the book

How to pronounce yl

Could someone who knows it add the pronounciation please? I suppose it should be possible without a knot in the tongue as I get it ^^ --峻義 Jùnyì 論 09:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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ylang-ylang pronounced ee-lahng ee-lahng for non-linguists. KaElin 04:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The IPA [ˈilɔŋ ilɔŋ]) seems to be at odds with the non-IPA 'ee-lahng ee-lahng'. Is 'ah' an open 'a' (as in father) or does it really represent the sound in 'caught', as suggested by the IPA? Phytomagus 17:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

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I am no linguist but I am a native Tagalog speaker. The 'ah' is an open 'a' as in 'father' not the 'a' in 'caught'.KaElin 01:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

So it's ee-long ee-long? I think I like yah-layng yah-layng better. 63.172.193.57 (talk) 16:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This article states that the Canonga Tree grows at 5m per year and reaches an average height of 12m - this is clearly an error - even at 120m height its age would be only 14 years - it needs correcting. Either the rate of growthy of the average heigght is wrong.

David Turner 00:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

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Origin of the name?

Encyclopedia Britannica says "Ylang-ylang in Tagalog (a Philippine language) means “flower of flowers." The article says something different and unsourced. Who is right? - Xufanc (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 19 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus to split either, rather it seems the article should be reworked a bit. Jenks24 (talk) 13:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Cananga odorata → Ylang-ylang – WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. Sinilarawan to cacao and vanilla. The name in English is the common name not the scientific one. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 23:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose : The article is named for the plant and should remain there. Ylang ylang refers more commonly to the perfumed oil, the description of which is contained with that of the plant. This should be split off into a new article. Similar to Theobroma cacao and Cocoa solids, or to Vanilla planifolia and Vanilla. Imc (talk) 06:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose as IMC says In ictu oculi (talk) 07:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose split the product from the plant if an article at ylang-ylang is needed. Plantdrew (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
• Comment As the plant's notability is its oil perfume, they should not be split into two articles, which would inevitably just be two stubs. Compare splitting "raspberry" and "blackberry" (the berries) from their respective plants, or "coconut" (the nut) from the tree. If a case can be made for the probable future creation of two non-stub articles that are sufficiently different, then a split would be fine; otherwise, it is unnecessary cluttering and arguably an instance of WP:LEAST. In any event, I recommend the following new lede:

The cananga tree (Cananga odorata; Indonesian: kenanga) is a tropical tree that originates in the Philippines.^[1] It is valued for the perfume extracted from its flowers, called ylang-ylang /ˈiːlæŋ ˈiːlæŋ/ EE-lang-EE-lang^[2] (a name also sometimes used for the tree itself), which is an essential oil used in aromatherapy. The tree is also called the fragrant cananga, Macassar-oil plant, or perfume tree.^[3]

The ylang-ylang vine (Artabotrys odoratissimus)^[4] and climbing ylang-ylang (Artabotrys hexapetalus)^[5] are woody, evergreen climbing plants in the same family; A. odoratissimus is also a source of perfume.^[4]

(For this example I replaced the actual references with links to prevent cluttering on this talk page.) — the Man in Question (in question) 00:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

That version of the lede looks better. The article is rather poorly organized at the moment, switching back and forth between sections pertaining to the tree and sections pertaining to the oil: Description (tree), Chemical Constituents (oil), Etymology (ylang-ylang), Characteristics (oil), Ecology (tree). And what's in the various sections needs some shuffling around (native range is under Etymology, birds are split between Description and Ecology). Plantdrew (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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