Talk:Cannabis in Oregon/Archive 1

Archive 1

Great start!

Good job, Peregrine Fisher, and good idea, Another Believer. I just want to add my support for the idea of an overarching article like this, rather than a separate article for each ballot measure etc. This has worked well for other issues, such as Domestic partnership in Oregon, Oregon Death with Dignity Act, and Oregon tax revolt. I'll set about making some redirects from the individual ballot measure pages. -Pete (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you guys sure work fast! A great start, indeed. I see that we have the two obvious sections of decriminalization and the medical marijuana program. I look forward to seeing these expand with more historical context, etc. Thanks! Another Believer (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

We should put this up for Did You Know?

WP:DYK Any ideas on what the hook should be? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

...that Oregon was the first state to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana, in the early 1970s, only to re-criminalize it in the late 1990s?

-Pete (talk) 06:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

"...only to re-criminalize it in the late 1990s" -- Does this imply that marijuana is currently criminalized? The article reads as if a law were passed, but then overturned by voters. The above DYK could make an uninformed reader assume MJ is currently criminalized in Oregon. Just my thoughts, though I hope I am not misreading the article. Another Believer (talk) 14:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

See the discussion above -- author Eric Schlosser was apparently confused. I just corrected the article. The one thing I'm still not sure of, though, is whether the Leg. actually "recriminalized" it. The article I found said that bill made possession a "class C misdemeanor" -- and misdemeanor isn't a crime, is it? Maybe we can get a law student over here...... -Pete (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit confusing. If maijuana is in fact criminalized in Oregon, I know of several other cannabis-related article that need to be corrected, because they seem to indicate that cannabis is currently decriminalized in the state. Another Believer (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Schlosser was right. I think this is the 2-1 voter rejection of recriminalization. And here's a rolling stone article on it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I am confused about the nature of a referendum in Oregon. EncMstr, you seem to understand this, can you clarify? A referendum results when the legislature passes a law, and the public votes it up or down. But if every ballot measure is "yes for change, no for status quo," what does this mean for a referendum? Is the "status quo" what existed before the legislative action, or what the legislative action implemented?? -Pete (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I thought that a referendum "yes" vote is in favor of the referendum, which would undo the law change. I've scoured the SoS website and so far learned only that it has a lot of broken links. —EncMstr (talk) 19:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

(redent)I'm getting the feeling that a referendum can be a yes or a no vote, it just depends on how its worded. Here's a copy of an Oregonian article that calls Measure 57 a referendum. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 20:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

It's up for DYK. Template talk:Did you know#Articles created.2Fexpanded on December 16 - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Since it was requested, yes, a misdemeanor is a crime. Driving 66 in a 65 is a crime (doubt anyone will get ticketed though). Think of it this way, if you could go to jail, its a crime. And if you don't pay the fine for citations and low level misdemeanors, then you could go to jail (again, unlikely due to jail overcrowding). Aboutmovies (talk) 10:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Is about.com a reliable source?

This would be a good ref if it is. The author has written a bunch of books (about teen parenting, unfortunately). This reliable sources/notcieboard seems to say we should use our best judement. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Images

Would http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marijuana.jpg be a fitting image for the article, or is something more Oregon-related more appropriate? I think images always make an article look nicer, so I wanted to see if any one had other ideas for images. Another Believer (talk) 01:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

That looks good. There's lots more here. I couldn't find one that was Oregon specific. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

File:Acapulco-gold.jpg is apparently in Oregon, though for all we know it was taken in Florida. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

How about we go for GA

What do you think? It's not FA, but I bet with some tweaking we can make GA. Ref that may be useful. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Another possible ref - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hempstalk images

I put one in there, but there are a number of more free images of Hempstalk here. I was going to upload more of them, but commons is causing me problems right now. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about the requested photo

Very excellent work, you guys. I'm still surprised it grew from nothing into what it is now in such a short time.

The WP:ORE template at the top of this talk page says, "A photo is requested to improve this Southern Oregon-area based article." Could someone please explain this? I wonder if this Southern Oregonian could help.—Athelwulf ^{| talk |} 20:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Pete added that, but from his edit summary comment (reqphoto in, um, I suppose Southern Oregon), wasn't too sure of the region. I suppose it's meant that someone go hiking in a grow operation and take some detailed photos, then come back alive and upload them. —EncMstr (talk) 20:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was me, and that was before there were any photos…I'm pretty sure southern Oregon is one of the biggest pot-producing regions in the U.S., though it would be nice to find a source for that. And as EncMstr alludes, I most certainly would not recommend that anyone who values their life go traipsing about the forest in search of large-scale grow operations! ;) Thanks for the offer, though. Are you aware of this category of needed photos? Based on EncMstr's excellent work. -Pete (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh, Butte Falls. Tiny-ass town, blink and you'll miss it, with a restaurant that makes very yummy milkshakes. My grandpa, mom, and I would always go through there on our way to Casey Park to fish when I was a wee lad. Oh, but I digress. Thanks for the link. A lot of the contents would require me to travel, but it's still useful to know about.

As for southern Oregon being Pot Country USA, I've never heard that before. I'm not in tune with the local drug culture, so I suppose it's possible. I always figured Humboldt County was a more likely candidate, judging by its reputation. Or surely Siskiyou County, the home of Weed! Oh, but for what it's worth, I do know that Klamath Falls is called the "Shining Crystal Capital of the North" or something.—Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 09:41, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Portland Hempstalk

Any feedback as to whether a separate article could/should be created specifically for the Hempstalk festival in Portland, similar to the Seattle Hempfest article? Of course, Hempstalk is mentioned in the "Cannabis culture in Oregon" section, but I wonder if it could be further expanded into its own article. Any feedback on the subject? Sources could include this (which is used in the "Cannabis in Oregon" article), this, this, this (if considered a reliable source), and here is the link to the annual event's official site. For future reference, here is another source for anything pot-related in Portland/Oregon. Another Believer (talk) 02:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not against it. It looks like you have enough sources for a nice little article, if not the greatest article ever. The one thing against it I might say, is that this article could use more on Hempstalk, and maybe a little less on Seattle's festival. This may just be the Blazers fan in me, I used to hate the Sonics when they were in Seattle, so maybe it's just rubbing off. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 08:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully much more to come later, but I've started the article: Portland Hempstalk Festival. Feel free to add any additional information you come across, or assist with organization (I'm never quite sure how to best organize articles). Thanks! Another Believer (talk) 05:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Drug policy of California

This may not interest members of WikiProject Oregon, but to any users simply interested in drug policy, especially of neighboring states, you may be interested in working on the Drug policy of California article (it needs help!). Just pointing it out in case someone is interested. --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Cannabis Cafe

According to NORML, Portland's (and Oregon's) first cannabis cafe is scheduled to open November 13, 2009, and will be available to members both of the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program and NORML. See the link for more info. Quite interesting! --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Nov 13 is my birthday. Pure coincidence, as far as I know. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha. More info: Salem-News, Willamette Week (same as NORML blog entry), KPTV, KATU (picture), The Oregonian, Reuters. I'm sure there will be more to come. --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, this source says that another cafe opened first (Highway 420 on October 1). tedder (talk) 04:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Photos

As it stands, this article features 5 images. 2 are general images of pot, which as nice as they are, aren't very specific to Cannabis in Oregon. The Hempstalk image is a good one that's relevant to Oregon. Then there's two legality maps, one of the US and one of the world, which again, I don't see as necessary or relevant to the article about Oregon. Sylvanmonk (talk) 13:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I added the legality maps to provide national and world context about how common or rare decriminalization is. It is interesting that most of the states which permit medical use and have decriminalized cannabis are physically close to each other. Here I think a picture is worth quite a bit more than a thousand words.

If you have ideas for more Oregon-centric photos for this article, by all means add or suggest them. I consider the current photos as placeholders for something better, but maybe there is no improving them. —EncMstr (talk) 18:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Initiative Petition 53

• It’s Official: Oregon Legalization Initiative Qualifies For The 2014 Ballot

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Another Believer _(Talk) 15:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Legalisation

Looks like Oregon passed their ballot measure and it is legal now. This article will need some significant updates to reflect. 162.17.205.153 (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Governor Tom McCall image

Resolved

I don't know anything about Wikipedia editing or what goes into it, but there seems to be a clear problem with the display of the image of what the label says is supposed to show Oregon Governor Tom McCall. In the "Decriminalization" section. I have no idea why this is or how to fix it and it may even be something just on my end but it seems to be some kind of problem to do with code.

Thanks for the heads up. I've fixed the template's markup. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:01, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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