Talk:Canned Heat

Quality scale rating and primary source reliance?

How did this article achieve "B" class on the quality scale with such an emphasis on primary source material? Candsastles1 (talk) 16:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I would agree to a point. There is much evidence that the style with which de la Parra wrote is used a bit too much perhaps. The band - or lineup - "names" are a primary example of this. It would be great if someone into the band, as much as the editor that contributed much of the article, would dig up other sources to "balance" things out a bit. That said, the article seems rather complete and the group's history is well covered.THX1136 (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Any source to show that Wilson committed suicide? I changed it to just death until it can be corroborrated. (drivinghighway61 03:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

"but sadly, Wilson committed suicide on 3 September 1970, between the album's completion and release." - p. 353, Blues on CD, Charles Shaar Murray, 1993, ISBN 1-85626-084-4 It's all there in the book. --Blainster 04:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what Mr. Murray's book says, there is still no real evidence to prove Wilson's death a suicide. Though he had been depressed he left no note, and autopsy reports were inconclusive as to purposefulness, or lack thereof, in the drug overdose involved in his death. Alan Wilson's autopsy can be obtained, for a minor fee, from the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.224.36.1 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

You may be correct, but you need to provide a published source per Wikipedia guidelines. --Blainster 23:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Al Wilson's death was ruled accidental by the coroner's office. Results were published in the autopsy report and death certificate which are in the public record.

Canned Heat Potted History LINK

Looks like linkspamto me, but benefit of the doubt. . . . Mikereichold 18:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Live At The Fox Theatre

According to the Canned Heat website discography, the album Live at the Fox Theatre, Venice, with John Lee Hooker, was recorded in 1987, not 1978 as previously listed in the article. Corrected a paragraph formatting problem at the same time. --Blainster 23:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Lineup

Can we get a lineup table please? --kingboyk 23:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as no one has argued against the existence of a lineup table, I would start one, but I'm going to start a new discussion to ensure that others aren't against the idea. Burbridge92 (talk) 09:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

You're free to start it thank you. KungFuMonkey 23:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The band's official home page has a detailed discography with line-up lists at http://www.cannedheatmusic.com/press/HEAT-DISCOGRAPHY.xls. 80.222.51.49 22:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The list of Members on the page is the only spot where those listed are found. They are not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Who are these guys? Paploo 06:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== krleaf == There ia a particular person listed as a former member. He never was.All former members can be verified by writing to the official website. I keep removing his name. however some dumbass keeps putting him back. Its not right to claim somebody elses success. I wrote to the offical Bands website and recieved Verification that this person was not involved in any way with the band.

(UTC)

Any reason why you haven't provided a name for this individual? You are right of course by the principle of what you are saying. Normally in cases of this occurrence it would be right to mention the name on the talk page and ask if anyone can provide a source to prove the claim, but you've already disproven the claim so it's fine. Burbridge92 (talk) 19:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I edited the line up because Frank Cook went to a british politician. ((CHRIS)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.167.170 18:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Rewriting

Attempted to rewrite in a more encyclopedic style. Details about band members should be found in the corresponding articles. Please help with details and language.al (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Undid at the end of Sect.1: " Among many blues fans, the Canned Heat lineups from 1989 to the present, while not nearly as celebrated, are actually far better than any of the classic lineups." because it is POV and because it was out of place . I agree that 'never the same' is rather tautological but it spares a long explanation about the originality of Wilson's approach.

Removed below another POV about later recordings.

Also removed "Canned Heat continued touring and recording without him" as Vestine had joined them apparently just for the tour. He had already come and gone a few times.

The story is long an complicated so, please, don't add evaluative comments; correcting facts and providing details would be more constructive.

al (talk) 23:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

How Bad Was Woodstock?

The Australian tv show, Rage is often programmed by guest performers, often international musicians who happen to be touring Australia at the time.

Malcolm McLaren used his opportunity to show many videos which he considered showed rock'n'roll in a very bad light because they were, without exception, very bad examples of the genre. One of them was, for instance Sylvester's "You Make Me Feel Mighty Real".

By far the worst of his selections however, was Canned Heat's performance at Woodstock, and I must say, for me, this proved his point. It was some medium tempo 12 bar that went on and on and on. The drummer appeared catatonic, playing the same chops for twenty minutes without variation. The lead guitarist was playing the same (beginner) chops over and over again until I thought he'd die of boredom but after about twenty minutes it still went on and on. The band, as a whole, looked completely stoned.

Not to say that Canned Heat weren't any good. I mean we all enjoyed those two big singles, but the laudatory statements on this page, including the reference to Woodstock must be taken in the context that a bunch of white boys playing extremely simple music badly doesn't really deserve such kudos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.12.252.112 (talk) 05:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Henry Vestine

Why is'nt Henry Vestine in the 'Former Members' section?

He is, third one down under "guitarists". Burbridge92 (talk) 07:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Don Preston

Don Preston was listed in the former members section of the infobox. He is not mentioned anywhere else in the article, nor is he mentioned in the former members section at the further down the article. In fact I can find any mention of him ever being a member in my searches, the only place I can find him mentioned in relation to Canned Heat is on this page and on his personal Wikipedia page where Canned Heat is mentioned in the associated acts section. Can anyone confirm him actually being a member of the band at some point, and place his name appropriately in the infobox? If confirmation can be given in a comment on this discussion topic along with years of activity I could appropriately place his name in the infobox if the guidelines are unknown to other users. Kind regards, Burbridge92 (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I do not recall reading about Don Preston ever being a member of Canned Heat. However, a possible connection can be found in Henry Vestine. Vestine played with The Mothers in 1965 before joining Canned Heat, and I think (someone correct me) Preston was in The Mothers from about that time too. Overall I doubt Preston played with Canned Heat in the mid-sixties before a stable lineup was achieved, and I don't believe he ever joined them later on. Another Vestine-Zappa link is that Jimmy Carl Black played on Vestine's 1991 album Guitar Gangster Lalielalo (talk) 13:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Yes, I too thought it unlikely that Preston was ever a member of Canned Heat. Unless anyone can provide any evidence to the contrary he should not be found on any of the members lists on the page, infobox or otherwise. Burbridge92 (talk) 23:14, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Don Preston was a member of Canned Heat for only 6 months in the year 2005 I can confirm this as Social Media Manager for Canned Heat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haakie48 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, as manager of Canned Heat, I can verify that Don Preston was a member of the band in 2005. Skip Taylor 7/25/24 2601:500:8801:8E70:931:5D6B:B2C9:FFA4 (talk) 20:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Lineup table - yes or no?

It was brought up in a previous discussion that this page doesn't have a lineup table and could do with one. I would start one but I want to check what people's thoughts are first (seeing as the original discussion is a good 5 years old). What are people's thoughts? Any objections? Burbridge92 (talk) 09:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Former members

Would it not make more sense to list the former members altogether, in order of joining the band, with their instrumentation listed with their names? I personally think the current format is a bit over-the-top, especially given that under the heading of "Keyboards and miscellaneous" we can't tell what the actual instrumentation is in any case. Any thoughts/suggestions?

Kind regards, Burbridge92 (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Member verification

There have been several incidents over the past few years of the same few musicians being added to the members sections on this page and then being removed by other users because they weren't members of the band. These musicians have not been verified in the article and as such there's no reason to assume that they were ever in the band. I personally have undergone a search for information about these musicians and cannot find anything, and therefore agree with the other users who to date have removed these names from the page. If anyone knows for a fact that these were members of Canned Heat (or supporting musicians as it may be), then vefiable evidence of their membership needs to be obtained before they are added to Canned Heat's list of former members.

The musicians in question are:

• Mike "The Pigeon" Pesch - bass in 1994, and again between 1996 and 1997; sometimes credited as "Tim Pigeon", unless the latter is a separate unverified case.
• Jacob "Montreal" Havig - keyboards from 1999 to 2001; who has sometimes been credited simply as "Jacob Montreal".
• Thom Trossaert - guitars from 1977 to 1978.

Kind regards, Burbridge92 (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Thes three people were NEVER members of the band. Also, Richard Exley claims to have been a bass player with the band... he NEVER was with the band in any capacity and any reference to him should be deleted. Thanks. Skip Taylor, manager. 7/25/24 2601:500:8801:8E70:931:5D6B:B2C9:FFA4 (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Singles

The discography lists the albums but doesn't list the singles. Most bands on Wikipedia have both albums and singles listed. Could someone add these please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.159.141 (talk) 13:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I as the The Canned Heat Official Social Media Manager and the owner of 288 different Canned Heat Singles Worldwide and counting have added many of my Canned Heat Singles to a website called 45CAT http://www.45cat.com/artist/canned-heat but this does not show all the different releases like Discogs page https://www.discogs.com/artist/269094-Canned-Heat?subtype=Singles-EPs&filter_anv=0&type=Releases&page=1 tries to show but again misses some out So to make sure a FULL list to my knowledge dated 12th February 2019 I've written a Book with a Worldwide List of Canned Heat Singles in Chapter 13 due to be Published in 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haakie48 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Question on Colorado drug bust

In the article is states: "Band manager Skip Taylor was forced to obtain the $10,000 bail by selling off Canned Heat's publishing rights to Liberty Records President Al Bennett.". I was wondering if Taylor was truly "forced" or simply chose the easiest route to raise the 10 grand? It is a moot point now, but does anyone have any thoughts on this matter? Thanks!THX1136 (talk) 16:06, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, this is Skip Taylor. At that time, the easiest and quickest way to obtain $10,000 was to giveup (I was not "forced") the 50% of publishing that we kept when making our initial agreement with Liberty Records. I had become friends with Al Bennett and, at the time, our publishing was basicly worthless. Al knew the trouble we were in and agreed to buy the remaining half of our publishing for $10,000. None of us knew that in the coming months and years, our publishing would become very worthwhile. 2601:500:8801:8E70:931:5D6B:B2C9:FFA4 (talk) 20:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Mention of Mandel within the "classic" lineup

Thinking as a casual reader it seems the mention of Mandel when Vestine is mentioned in the "classic" lineup is confusing. This is especially so in the intro/overview section with the usage of the word "or". Is this worth dealing with or a non-concern? Thanks!THX1136 (talk) 16:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC) Yes I've had this a lot on the Verified Canned Heat Facebook page so I address it as Alan "The Blind Owl" Christie Wilson years with Canned Heat rather than Classic Canned Heat. Most Real Fans know The "Classic" Canned Heat is Alan "The Blind Owl" Christie Wilson - Bob "The Bear" Hite - Henry "The Sunflower" Vestine - Larry "The Mole" Taylor - Adolfo "Fito" de la Parra — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haakie48 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

references

All of these references to Fito De La Parra, Living The Blues. Canned Heat's Story of Music, Drugs, Death, Sex and Survival, 2000 can be consolidated. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 08:21, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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Support split - The sections for List of Canned Heat band members and Canned Heat discography take up more than one third of the page, and should be split to new articles entitled as such. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:21, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Fito

Hello, why does Fito de la Parra not have an own article? comment added by 163.158.173.249 (talk)

References

Most of this article is based upon Fito’s book. So it is very one-sided. For example, Alan Wilson did have some girlfriends. In addition, a lot of his depression was related to the band not necessarily women. 165.117.223.124 (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Skip Taylor

Skip should be mentioned as an integral part of the canned heat story. He has been involved since the sixties. 2600:8800:7007:1E00:1895:1A66:7AD0:669C (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)