Talk:Captain America's shield

Wikiproject comics?

I'm always confused by that tag, especially when it appears on articles I've written. How is it part of this project when no one from that project has made any significant alterations to the article? Elijya 16:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Minor update: corrected the word "apoxy" to "epoxy". However, it is quite possible that the Hulk did actually use something called "apoxy". If anyone has read the issue in question, please correct or verify.--12.45.244.20 18:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Destroyed in the Infinity Gauntlet storyarch

I remember Thanos destroying the shield during the Infinity Gauntlet story arch. Is this considered canon? AlGorup 15:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it all got reset, didn't it? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:17, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Bouncy, bouncy?

Does it bother any other geeks that if the vibranium absorbs kinetic impact, then it shouldn't bounce when it hits something? It should absorb the energy and fall to the earth. Roygbiv666 03:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, I've got no answer for that. Elijya 16:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Marvel physics FTW24.17.214.242 06:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Do we have a citation stating that it absorbs impact? It would seem more likely that it doesnt absorb, but rather reflects most kinetic engergy, thus knocking back blows, and bouncing from walls with high velocity. 2:34, 14 March 2007

It's made of Vibrainum which absorbs energy.

Roygbiv666 (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Thor

Since the whole thing involving Thor damaging the shield in a fight with Captain America was written around into becoming just another alternate reality/timeline, shouldn't it be deleted? Since the incident involving Thor transporting Asgard to Earth, taking over Earth, and battling what was left of Earth's heroes took place in an alternate reality, it's not really canon. The entire storyline involving Thor bringing Asgard to Earth was written with the purpose of, in the end, having the timeline altered so that Asgard wasn't teleported to Earth. So, as a result, everything that'd taken place after Asgard came to Earth never actually took place. This was Marvel's way of preserving continuity since the writers had Thor doing some things during the storyline that would've otherwise been out of the question (i.e. incinerating a large chunk of Captain America's shield and killing the Hulk and the Thing in a three hour slugfest, without access to the Odinpower via Doctor Strange's talisman, immediately after losing both his left arm and left eye in a fight with Wolverine. Odin's Beard 02:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Whether it was turned into an alternate reality or not is a kind of different question from whether the conditions were such that the shield could only have been dented in that alternate reality and not in the mainstream one. Put another way, does the fact that it took place in an alternate reality mean that the same physical/magical laws do not apply? Or putting it yet another way, does the fact that time was altered so that in the end events were reset make the action or its results any less "real", all other things being equal? That is to say, that the action is physically impossible and could never have happened in the mainstream reality?

There is a difference between saying "it took place in an alternate reality" and "it's not really canon". Saying it's not canon means that it totally never happened. Saying "alternate reality" means that it did happen, but got changed back due to mucking around with time or somesuch. That doesn't mean none of the events couldn't have happened, or didn't happen... it just got reverted. To torture a metaphor, reverting vandalism to an article doesn't mean the vandalism never happened, or cannot be possible.

Bottom line, though, is that I agree that this particular incident should be clarified to make it clear that it was in an alternate reality and let the reader decide for themselves how "valid" they want to take it. I've restored the paragraph but demoted it to the end of the section. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It was NEVER rendered an alternate reality. That's a misconception brought on by Thor undoing the Reigning. Thor undid everything that took place post Thor #67 which was months after he dented the shield. hyperstorm

infinity war

Should it be noted the shield Major Victory uses travels back to 'present day' during the Infinity War? It's the rare object that exists twice in one time period, heck the Tardis can't even do it.

Lots42 19:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Erm where does it say the TARDIS can't do that? It's present more than once on July 20 1966 in The War Machines and The Faceless Ones/The Evil of the Daleks. (And as well as the TV Movie there are a lot of stories in various spin-off media set on New Year's Eve 1999, featuring the 4th, 6th, 7th and 8th Doctors all on Earth at the same time.) Timrollpickering (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, shouldn't do it, at least as far as I knew back when I wrote that comment. I remember one Rose episode where she goes back in time to meet herself and all sorts of horrible, horrible thingies happen. Lots42 (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Capturing Cap's Shield?

What about opponents literally running off with Cap's shield? The teleporter Magick took the sheild for a little bit, hiding it at her school.

Lots42 02:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Error vs. Retcon

Is it correct to say that the Adamantium/Vibranium alloy thing was an "error," since that is what the case was for so long, and Busiek's "clarification" in Avengers Annual 2001 seems to be just another retcon? Dr Archeville 17:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's correct, since as the article points out, the shield existed before Adamantium did, therefore any reference to it having adamantium in it is an error. Elijya 17:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

My view is that it would only be a retcon if it was deliberate; as it was, the whole thing started with the OHTMU entry and it was propagated from there without the writers knowing any better, so it's more properly classified as an error. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 18:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to note -- my "clarification" in "Avengers Annual 2001" was merely a restatement of material established in 1985 in "Captain America" #303-304, which was the first full origin given to the shield. As such, subsequent references to adamantium in the shield are errors, since they contradict that account. That account contradicts the Handbook entry on the shield, but that entry was acknowledged as an error by the Handbook's editor. KurtBusiek 22:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Didn't the shield used to be made of True Adamantium which had vibranium in it, and then the more common vibranium in Wolverine was found years later while trying to duplicate his shield. Also a third adamantium which is like super steel but not indestructible (it even gets destroyed all the time, something about it being in alot of villain fortresses, gotta check that old Official Marvel Handbook thing again)? Highlandlord 12:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

After reading the adamantium thing I see my mistake in trusting the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. But I still don't see how it can't work as a adamantium-vibranium alloy, sure the guy making it didn't know what either metals were called, or where he got the one, and years later he reverse engineered True Adamantium out of it, it still makes sense than alot of other Marvel things. And how would adamantium come to exist if it wasn't in the shield waiting to be reverse engineered? Highlandlord 13:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Because adamantium isn't the same material as the shield. Adamantium was created while trying to duplicate the material in the shield, but adamantium is actually weaker than the shield's vibranium-steel alloy. Actually, you raise an interesting question that I've never found a satisfactory answer for: if adamantium did not exist prior to 1966, then how was it bonded to Wolverine's bones? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

What don't you get, Khaos? Wolverine first appeared 1974, and there's no real indicator how long he had the Adamantium before then. He had a flashback appearence in World War 2 in X-Men #268, but he never unsheathed his claws then. Elijya 16:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction

I tagged the section as a contradiction section. I don't believe as editors, we can choose what is and is not an error with source material without the backing of a 3rd party. Using conflicting sources from the comics themselves to assert one claim over another is original research, which not only decreased the accessiblity of the article (it makes the section appear to contradict itself), but also is a violation of policy. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC).

I wholeheartedly agree with you and the editor above. The "error" terminology has to go. I've modified to make it more WP:NPOV and remove traces of WP:OR. Ford MF (talk) 15:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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The second triangular shield

The shield destroyed by Hyde and restored by Zemo was eventually passed on to Elijah Bradley, the teenage hero known as the Patriot and leader of the Young Avengers.

I know it is the only shield remain so far, but, IIRC, the event in Thunderbolts #105 is during the Marvel Civil War, while Cap gave it to Eli before the Civil War. --TX55^TALK 06:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Possibly IIRnC. --TX55^TALK 12:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Standoff Crossover?

Doesn't that fall under the alternate versions section? Because there was that alternate universe where Thor slowly took over Earth in order to protect it. Naturally, the Avengers were ticked off. Lots42 (talk) 06:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The shield has been destroyed at least 5 times... not 4

This section: Destroying the indestructible

"As of 2007, the shield has been damaged or destroyed four times within the confines of the Earth-616 continuity..."

is incorrect. The shield was also destroyed in the Avengers Reborn miniseries when the destruction of the Earth resulted in the only recognizable and intact object being Thor's hammer, which the solar system was re-coalescing around (along with the recognizable, but NOT intact broken shield). I'd add it, but no longer have the comic to add a proper citation and cannot recall which one.

Of course, it can be debated that it does not count as the event un-happened when time was changed again.

RobertMfromLI | User Talk STP2: Producer/Gaffer/Webmaster 22:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Buffy, yes, Buffy

In the latest Buffy Season 8 graphic novel, the official continuation of the show, a replica of Cap's Shield is used, it saves the life of Andrew. Lots42 (talk) 09:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

No mention of Vance Astro?

Well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.152.48.222 (talk) 06:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Cap's mental faculties

The "Ricochet ballistics" section states that the superhuman serum increased Captain America's mental faculties "such as cognition, perception, balance, aim, and reflexes to near genius-level". I cannot speak for everyone whose IQ tests in at "near genius-level", but I can't project the path of a ricocheting bullet or make a Frisbee fall back to myself (even without considering my lack of physical strength). I do not believe that instantly plotting trajectories like that is an ability typical of a "near genius" brain. Is there any source that describes him this way? If not, I think it's inaccurate phrasing. Jojopeanut (talk) 04:29, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Overall I think that the article, from what I understand did an “ok” job of relaying the point that it was trying to make about Captain America. There were some people that commented on the article, that said that some of the points were contradicting, I guess I agree with that. There are alot of different points of views being relayed so it was confusing at times. However, as a Marvel fan, I did find some of this information useful.--Kamillia Forbes (talk) 20:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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MCU adaptation

@Jhenderson777:, @TriiipleThreat:, @Facu-el Millo: @BD2412:, @Gonnym: @Jedi94:, @Trailblazer101:, @InfiniteNexus:, @Sir Magnus:, @(a)nnihilation97: I think there is significant notability and a good number of sources to create an article for the MCU adaptation of the shield, as I have done at Draft:Captain America's shield (Marvel Cinematic Universe). There is precedent for this with Iron Man's armor (Marvel Cinematic Universe) being a spin off of Iron Man's armor.

I would like to know these editors' views on the notability of the MCU adaptation of the shield that has been indicated in the draft, and whether the creation of the article is feasible. Thank you. IronManCap (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Also pinging Netoholic if they would like to contribute. IronManCap (talk) 20:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Bloodyboppa as well. IronManCap (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I agree that the item is notable enough in the MCU that a separate article makes a lot of sense. I'm all for it and would happily continue to contribute to it like I did expanding the current MCU section on this page. Your draft looks great. Bloodyboppa (talk) 20:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

No, I don't believe the shield is independently notable in the MCU and could easily be incorporated in the existing articles. The "Depiction" section is bloated beyond necessity because not every appearance of the shield is significant on its own (the action is centered on the characters not their equipment). Removing or reducing that section as would be necessary leaves very little actual content. The comparison with the Iron Man armors is not appropriate because the iteration of design of those is core to the character and story, and is a necessary WP:SPLIT of lengthy content. -- Netoholic @ 21:39, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree. This isn't notable enough to have its own article. All the relevant information there could be accommodated in a section in this article, or as a section in the already ongoing (and already bloated in my opinion) Draft:Features of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You must remember this is an encyclopedia not centered around the MCU. In order to have an independent article, the MCU version of Captain America's shield needs to at least pass the general notability guideline. For the future, I recommend discussing starting drafts such as that one beforehand, so your time and effort isn't spent on improving a draft which is unlikely to become an article. There are relevant policies, guidelines, and essays, such as WP:CFORK, WP:PAGEDECIDE and everything related to Wikipedia:Notability. —El Millo (talk) 22:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: Please do correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the sources cited in the draft do seem to satisfy WP:GNG as far as I can tell. IronManCap (talk) 22:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It may, but I don't think the coverage is extensive enough for it to warrant its own individual article. Also pinging Adamstom.97 —El Millo (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Facu-el Millo: I found some more info about it being used in a swearing-in ceremony that I've included. I plan on expanding the 'impact' section further. IronManCap (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @LoreMaster22 and SirLou: If they have any thoughts. IronManCap (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not very well versed in the non-character aspect of the MCU. But if you think there is enough for a article then I saw go for it.LoreMaster22 (talk) 16:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Favre1fan93 too in case they want to contribute. I didn't realise there were so many MCU editors. IronManCap (talk) 22:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I believe it is notable enough to deserve a full wikipedia page, though I'm not so sure about Thor's hammer (I have not actually checked if there are any reliable sources). SirLou (talk) 00:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@SirLou: I'm also sceptical about Mjolnir, I just created a draft to see how it would go. Maybe there will be more about that when promotion for Thor: Love and Thunder starts. I believe the sources included in the shield article, particularly in the 'impact' section, do prove independent notability. IronManCap (talk) 12:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jhenderson777:, @TriiipleThreat:, @Facu-el Millo: @BD2412:, @Gonnym: @Jedi94:, @Trailblazer101:, @InfiniteNexus:, @Sir Magnus:, @(a)nnihilation97:, @Bloodyboppa:, @Favre1fan93:, @LoreMaster22: @SirLou:, @Adamstom.97:, @Netoholic: I have expanded the section relating to the impact of the MCU adaptation of the shield, which I think proves some notability with WP:RS in line with WP:GNG and WP:NOTABILITY. Before it is suggested to merge that section with this article, I would like to point out the 'impact' section for the draft is MCU-specific. I would appreciate if these editors could comment on whether the draft now proves notability for the shield in the MCU. IronManCap (talk) 17:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging Starforce13 too. IronManCap (talk) 18:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping. I think for now the MCU one can stay here since the prose isn't that large. But that can change depending on how much more content we get from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and future series/films. For now, I've moved MCU to its own section to improve the flow and keep all MCU content together. As we continue to build this section, we'll see if it gets big enough to warrant a split. — Starforce¹³ 20:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Starforce13: Thanks for the opinion. The draft is always there ready to further improve and publish should there be more info after TFATWS. IronManCap (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, let's keep the draft alive and keep updating it; and if/when time comes to split, we should be ready. — Starforce¹³ 21:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I believe that Captain America's shield is a notable MCU object, as the "owner" or "user" of the shield, which seemed to determine who was the "real" Captain America, was a major plot point of the TFATWS series. However, I do agree that the "depiction" section seems a little long and unnecessary. I was actually looking for such an article, and was considering splitting out the "MCU version" section when I discovered the draft page and this talk page thread. Natg 19 (talk) 23:16, 26 April 2021 (UTC)