Talk:Carbfix

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hereEdwardLane (talk) 12:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I gather there is now a (long/short term ?) moratorium on this project due to induced seismicity affecting local residents. I don't have a link toa source - I think it's in the icelandic news though. EdwardLane (talk) 17:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Back in the news in 2016

Carbfix are back in the news again: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/09/co2-turned-into-stone-in-iceland-in-climate-change-breakthrough

According to the Guardian, they are "scaling up to bury 10,000 tonnes of CO2 a year, plus the hydrogen sulphide which also turns into minerals". Since the global emissions of CO2 are currently around 37 GT/year, that surely would mean that their project would need to be replicated roughly 3,700,000-fold to just keep pace with current emissions. Is this practical? -- The Anome (talk) 14:50, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

and a few more bits of info here too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36494501, I think the answer is yes potentially practical, but probably needs more experimentaion to perfect, and best site for long term carbon capture is probably not in iceland (as there is enough volcanism there to leave the rock at risk of meeting magma, melting and re-releasing the carbon dioxide - making it a wasted effort) but maybe very good in india (with the old basalt deccan traps for example) though there are possible earthquake issues similar to fracking to worry about too. (but that's just my understanding of it - and I may be wrong) EdwardLane (talk) 09:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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Neutrality of the lead section

Hi, the original discussion started at User talk:ToBeFree/Archive 4#Confused.

I believe "proven, safe and cost effective" to be a non-neutral introduction. It seems to be unfitting for the first sentence of an encyclopedic article to me. I need to try to access the full article later, but I suspect that the word "proven" may be original research, not reliably, neutrally given by an independent source in a purely descriptive way. I believe "safe" to be a comparative term that lacks a specification what this is being compared to. Simply claiming that something is "safe" does not actually convey information; it just praises the article subject with a term that is meaningless on its own, but sounds positive to the reader without proper justification. The same is true for the statement "cost effective": Compared to what, and why? And should it really be in the first sentence, or would that be undue weight? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I am sadly unable to access the publication used as a reference in Special:Diff/872298439. From what I can see, the article has been published in a journal named "International Journal of Greenhouse Gas Control", which may, judging by its name, be biased towards processes and companies that claim to control greenhouse gases. The authors of the publication, according to this ScienceDirect link, are:

• Ingvi Gunnarsson
• Edda S. Aradóttir
• Eric H. Oelkers
• Deirdre E. Clark
• Magnús Þór Arnarson
• Bergur Sigfússon
• Sandra Ó. Snæbjörnsdóttir
• Juerg M. Matter
• Martin Stute
• Bjarni M. Júlíusson
• Sigurður R. Gíslason

Out of what must be pure coincidence, "carbfix.com/team" is currently locked: "This page requires access credentials. Error code: 403". I believe this to be highly unusual for a public "team" page and had a look at the Google Cache version of the page, "as it appeared on 28 Nov 2018 13:47:17 GMT." Oh! I made screenshots in case someone is later questioning this.

• Ingvi Gunnarsson is "Active partner in WP3."
• Edda Sif Aradóttir is "Project manager of Carbfix, and leader of WP1, WP6 and WP7."
• Eric Oelkers is "One of the founding members of the Carbfix project. Leader of WP4 and WP6."
• Deirdre Clark is "PhD student working under the supervision of Sigurður R. Gíslason [...] Active partner in WP3."
• Bergur Sigfússon is "Deputy project manager, and innovation manager of Carbfix2. Active partner in WP1, WP2, WP3, and WP4."
• Sandra Ósk Snæbjörnsdóttir is "Active partner in WP3, WP4, and WP6."
• Sigurður Reynir Gíslason is "One of the founding members of the Carbfix project, and head of the scientific committee. Leader of WP3. Active partner in WP4."

When I asked for independent sources, I wasn't referring to Carbfix's own papers. I feel a bit betrayed because of the 403 error, but maybe someone can clarify that this was a purely technical random incident. Continuing to add unreliably sourced promotional statements to the article may lead to a block. If you are involved with Carbfix, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID very carefully and please do not edit the article directly anymore. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Request edit on 6 October 2021

• What I think should be changed: Carbfix has changed it's name from CarbFix to Carbfix (note the lowercase 'f')
• Why it should be changed: It should be changed so that this article correctly references the technology and the company
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

The altered name can be clearly seen at carbfix.com, both in the logo and text

193.4.101.238 (talk) 10:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

References

 Done. Company refers to itself by Carbfix on its website and thus the name of the page was moved. Z1720 (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

"Criticisms" chapter removed

I removed the chapter called "Criticisms" since the critique was not directed at Carbfix (neither the company or the Carbfix method). The critique was aimed at Ólafur Teitur Guðnason former journalist and hist past views. Therefore it is not relevant to the Carbfix Wikipedia page. The critique is based on one single employee's writing published in 2004-2007 and prior to him joining Carbfix. His previous skepticism about climate change, although contentious, doesn't reflect on Carbfix's mission or operations. Seraphinianus1944 (talk) 21:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

• And I blocked you as a confirmed sock of User:Siljaye. Future such removals will be tested against edits made by your sock accounts; if disruption continues, no doubt alert editors will find their way to WP:SPI. Drmies (talk) 09:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Request edit on 3 November 2024

• What I think should be changed:
• I am an employee at Carbfix requesting changes to the Carbfix wikipedia page through the correct Talk feature*

Hello, I am the current head of communication at Carbfix and wanted to remove the Criticism segment as it is no longer correct as I am the principal spokesperson along with other executives at Carbfix.

As it stands: Criticisms In March 2023, Carbfix was criticised in the Icelandic media when Mannlíf, an electronic news publication, revealed that the partnership's head of communications had been an outspoken climate change denialist. Ólafur Teitur Guðnason, Carbfix's principal media spokesperson, worked as a columnist for Viðskiptablaðið, an Icelandic right-wing newspaper, during the years 2004–2007. In his articles, Ólafur Teitur had expressed doubts that climate change was caused by human actions and maintained that media coverage of environmental affairs was fearmongering.[24] Ólafur Teitur replied with a Facebook post, stating that his former position was wrong and he had changed his mind since then: "I would find it burdensome if my earlier views would cast aspersions to the great work done by my colleagues at Carbfix since 2007."[25][26] In a follow-up piece, Mannlíf claimed that Ólafur Teitur's columns had all the characteristics of fake news, presenting propaganda and pseudoscience as scientific facts.[27]

• Why it should be changed:

The criticism is directed at an employee who has published his reversal of heart and has worked towards achieving Carbfix climate goals. As we share the same name this can be confusing for people and impede the work of a science based company based on out-dated views of one employee.

Respectfully Ólafur

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Ólafur Elínarson (talk) 14:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your request above.

The material you refer to appears to be historically accurate and properly sourced. I do not see that there can be any legitimate suggestion that the material should be removed simply because the present head of communication shares a relatively common Icelandic christian name with a previous head of communication. Nor do I agree that that is likely to be confusing for people.

If there are grounds for removal it will be because material on the views an employee held 20 years ago is irrelevant, non-encyclopaedic and WP:UNDUE, and relates more to the employee than to the company. However, I will leave this COI edit request open so that further volunteers can comment on that point.

I have accessed (in English translation) the 4 sources provided in the article. The text in the Wikipedia article states that Carbfix was criticised in the Icelandic media, but having skimmed the 4 sources provided I would have said that the coverage was more that the appointment was a point of curiosity rather than that Carbix had been criticised in the Icelandic media.

If all we have here is an unusual appointment that resulted in articles in the media then I would say that the whole story is non-encyclopaedic and should be removed. Axad12 (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Axad12 for your comments, I will also wait if further volunteers comment on this section. Cheers! Ólafur Elínarson (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I fail to see how this content is worth of being included in an encylopedia. It's a character assination of someone who made statements ten years ago, before they were even employed by Carbfix, for a tabloid to get a clickbait headline. If Guðnason has their own article, it could potentially be written there but I see no relevance at all for it to be included here other than to serve as some sort of "social media justice" for someone daring to hold personal views (however wrong they might be).

I've boldly removed the entire section per WP:EDWS and WP:UNDUE. Please ping me if this is reverted as I'd like to discuss it further (I can see above multiple accounts have been blocked over this, but I can't see any real discussion beyond Axad12's comments). OXYLYPSE (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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