Talk:Carl Eugene Watts

Early release

The Cold Case Files episode says that the reason for Watts potential early release was due to him finding a loophole in the plea bargin regarding the bathtub of water being a lethal weapon. The programme said that once the "with intent to commit murder" part of the plea was quashed, only the burglary remained and that was why he was eligible for early release.

This is not dealt with on the wikipedia page. Would the page's creator like to comment before I look into this futher and possibly make ammendments ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tycobbuk (talk • contribs) 08:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

The Court TV Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/coral_watts/8.html) says approximately the same thing: "the judge [in the original trial] failed to inform Coral that, 'the bathtub water he attempted to drown Lori Lister in was construed as a lethal weapon.' Consequently, he was not required to serve his entire sentence.". I'd also like to see this information added, but I'm not up to doing it myself—while reading the Court TV Crime Library article, I discovered that I knew one of Watts's victims. If it's not acceptable to cite Cold Case Files or Court TV, I'm sure any Texas newspaper from the date of that court ruling would have the same information. —AmateurHistorian 05:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Background on Coral

I think it would be beneficial to find out some things about his childhood, as it could have influenced his killing sprees. Reading this, I would assume he had a pathological hate toward women, perhaps because of his mother, but all of the woman he attacked were white. Perhaps he attacked the "perfect woman" in order to punish his mother for what he thought she should have been. Of course I could be completely wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.145.56 (talk) 23:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

What? Where is the source for your theory? What if he murdered white women because he didn't like them? (just a theory) I know it's a little less glamorous and self-congratulatory than "he murdered white women because they represented the perfect woman". But seriously, unless you have a source, it seems a little biased to assume that he murdered white women because he somehow revered them. 74.185.0.47 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC).

Watts didn't only murder white women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.105.48 (talk) 22:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

More citations please

It is unclear how much information was taken from the Crime Library entry because there are few footnotes. While this is no longer a BLP, it still needs to meet verifiability requirements. momoricks 02:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm moving the following links from the External links section to here because they should be used as sources.

• Coral Watts on Cold Case Files website - includes video
• Michigan DOC OTIS
• http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/tv_programme/510/Cold_Case_Files_Episode_106.htm

momoricks 03:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Wrong name in article title

The subject's name is actually CORAL Watts, not CARL Watts. I changed it throughout the actual article, but could not fix the title. It does redirect to this page when you type his name into the search engine correctly. Draesmom (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, based on a reliable source, his birth name is "Carl" and his nickname is "Coral". I've added the source and edited the page accordingly. momoricks 02:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

his name is Carl.. Coral is what his cousins called him because they had accents. He liked the way it sounded and adopted it as his nickname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.105.48 (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Murders

"Most of Coral Watts' victims were young white women"

Nobody disputes this fact as far as I know. It is sourced. It should be restored.

Does anyone disagree, if so, why?Dopplegangerr (talk) 20:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I.Q.

The article informs us that a psychiatric assessment indicated that Watts was mildly retarded, with an I.Q. of 68. Yeah right... Huey Newton also had a low I.Q. of 74 according to an assessment. ExistentialBliss (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I also heard that Andy Warhol had an IQ of only 72, then again they say that serial killers have average/above average intelligence.72.78.246.77 (talk) 02:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Watts was a disorganized offender. He was typical of these in that he was of well-below average intelligence. Organized killers are typically of above-average intelligence. Jim Michael (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It is unlikely that Watts has an I.Q of 68/75. He probably has an I.Q somewhere between 110-129. No one with an I.Q of 75 would be able to get away with 2-3 murders let alone, according to Police, possibly up to 100. No way he was/is borderline retarded. Watts is one of the worst serial killers in U.S history. Orasis (talk) 05:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I see that at some point someone changed his IQ from 68 to 75. This is an important change because the IQ cutoff for mental retardation (or what is now called an intellectual disability) is 70. So he either has an intellectual disability or he doesn't. On another note entirely, please permit me to say that I was a friend of someone who was believed to have been one of Watts' victims. Hazel, I will never forget you.Vandemark (talk) 00:47, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Almost attacked By Coral Watts

Coral Watts attacked a number of Hispanic women too. In 1979 in Houston, Texas he attempted to enter the town home that my cousins and I lived in. I had walked home from work and being from an inner city neighborhood in Chicago I had a habit of locking the door behind me. Within seconds of my entering the apartment he began to bang on the door and shaking the knob. He yelled to be let in because he had his baby in the car and he needed a phone to call for help because the baby was sick. My cousins were from a small town in Texas and wanted to open the door but I would not let them. I told him I would call the police but I would not let him in. He banged a few more times but I said I was calling the police and he left. We ran to the picture window and all three of us looked at him. The police never came and I called them back but they said they were not sending an officer because no crime occurred. We lived but he was able to continue to kill again because the police were not interested in investigating our call. There is no doubt that he was the man we saw. Who forgets a face after an experience that frightening. I believe that the police did not answer because my last name was Rodriguez. He would have killed three young women that day but my inner city instincts kept us from being his victims. We could have described him and it is a tragedy that the police were responsible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.252.17.41 (talk) 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Article from radford.edu

This article is credited on the reference to Dr. Mike Aamodt, someone whose name is not on the paper. It's really not clear who Kristy Walter and Christopher White, the authors of the paper are. I can't located them on Radford's site. Was this a student project? (Spring 2008, maybe a project for that semester?) Is it a reliable source at all?Tkotc (talk) 01:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Mentioned in another TV show

In the true crime TV show Evil I that is on the channel Investigation Discovery they had an episode about Carl Eugene Watts. It was on tonight.71.185.163.185 (talk) 06:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2014

Doesn't commute mean the reduction of a sentence? Watts' sentence was increased to life without parole. Can someone please should change this as soon as possible? Thanks! 96.59.223.143 (talk) 17:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done the 60 years and the life sentences were for separate offences, the sentence wasn't commuted at all. - Arjayay (talk)

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