Talk:Carmel Art Association/archive01

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because I have given credit to some information retrieved from Carmel Art Association. I have changed the text to be in my own words and added quotation marks around the paragraphs in question. The article is important as it referenced from many other articles, e.g. Jo Mora. --Greg Henderson 22:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

The copyright infringement was resolved in April 2020. --Greg Henderson (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Request Edit

Request Edit A

• Information to be added or removed: ADD: More than a gallery, it is a cooperative design “to advance knowledge and interest in art, and to create a spirit of fellowship between local artists and the community.” American art colonies
• In 1927, the Oakland Tribune talks about the Carmel Art Association forming as an organization of Carmel artists who are interested in the arts. The purpose of stimulating and developing art interests in Carmel and exhibiting paintings by local artists. Carmel Art Body Forms.
• Explanation of issue: More citations needed.
• References supporting change: See above from www.newspapers.com and archive.org. Greg Henderson (talk) 15:59, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Request Edit B

• Information to be added or removed: ADD in Lead Section: "More than 100 local artists’ work is shown at the Carmel Art Association. The CAA is the second oldest art gallery in the nation."
• Explanation of issue: More citations needed.
• References supporting change: See citation at A Century of Utopia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greghenderson2006 (talk • contribs)

 Not done The Wadsworth Atheneum is the oldest, founded in 1842 and opened in 1844. The Portland Art Museum was founded in 1892, making it the oldest art museum on the West Coast. I don't think that citation is very good. Vexations (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Comment: The source doesn't say the CAA is the "second oldest art gallery in the nation", it says the Association is the "second oldest of its kind", whatever that might mean. Melcous (talk) 22:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

The oldest art associations in the US are: Copley Society of Art 1869, MacDowell Art Colony 1907, Yaddo 1900, Taos Society of Artists 1915 which morphed into the Taos Art Colony in 1898, Laguna Beach Art Association 1918, the Painter's Club of Los Angeles (1906) which morphed into the California Art League. Netherzone (talk) 23:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Request Edit C

I would like improve this article by adding the following citation: The art colony of Carmel and Monterey was enhanced in the founding of the Carmel Art Association as a artists' cooperative designed "to advance knowledge and interest in art, and to create a spirit of fellowship between local artists and the community."American art colonies. Greg Henderson (talk) 21:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done as per WP:SOAPBOX Netherzone (talk) 22:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I read have read WP:SOAPBOX. I have nothing to gain by this citation. I am not advertising or doing any promotion. The citatioin is informative and is from a secondary source about CAA written by Steve Shipp in 1937. --Greg Henderson (talk) 22:18, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Greghenderson2006, Steve(n) Shipp was born in 1937. The book was published in 1996. Shipp, Steve (1996). American art colonies, 1850-1930: a historical guide to America's original art colonies and their artists. Westport, Conn: Greenwood Press. ISBN 978-0-313-29619-2. OCLC 34284622. Vexations (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. Is this a valid secondary source to add? --Greg Henderson (talk) 22:55, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Greghenderson2006, the content appears to be attributed to 9. Westphal (1986), p. 19. which, per Shipp's bibliography, is

Westphal, Ruth Lilly. Plein Air Painters of California: The North. Irvine, Calif.: West-

phal Publishing, 1986.

I think the correct citation for that source is Westphal, Ruth Lilly. (1986). Plein air painters of California, the north. Dominik, Janet B. Irvine, Calif.: Westphal Pub. ISBN 0-9610520-1-5. OCLC 15222227.

I'm not familiar with Westphal Pub(lishers), but it seems they've only published three books, two of them by Ruth Westphal. There is some coverage of the series Westphal wrote in the [LA Times] that confirms the books are self-published, but also points out that they were well-received and Westphal was given he first California Art Award by the Laguna Art Museum in recognition of her work. The nearest copy for me is in a library 100 miles away, so I don't have immediate access. Westphal may be a better source than Shipp. Vexations (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

 Discussion ongoing...
OK, so the correct request edit is: "The art community of Carmel and Monterey was improved with the founding of the Carmel Art Association in 1927, which is owned and run jointly by its members, designed to increase interest in art and to foster a corporative between local artists and the art community." with the citation as . Can we approve this? --Greg Henderson (talk) 02:25, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Request Edit D

• Information to be added or removed: ADD in History section: "In 1931, a show was given by 4 CAA members who had won entrance to the National Academy of Design. As a results, community support began to raise. After buying the Dolores Street studio, once belonged to playwright-artist Ira Remsen, a fund raising event was held the Hotel Del Monte. CAA member Salvador Dali decorated a set at the event that attracted the most attention."
• Explanation of issue: More citations needed to show notability.
• References supporting change: See citation at, Creating Carmel : the enduring vision by Gilliam, Harold; Gilliam, Ann.--Greg Henderson (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I've set this edit request to partially done, because there's not been much activity on this discussion for about a month now. Please re-open an edit request if you want more to be done on the article. Seagull123 Φ 13:35, 20 August 2020 (UTC)