Talk:Carolina parakeet

Migration?

I am wondering if this parakeet migrated south in the fall from areas like Ohio to overwinter in a warmer climate, or, were they year-round residents like the monk parakeets are now in Cincinnati, Chicago, and New York? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.43.115 (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

About cloning

What is the closest related living parrot to the Carolina Parakeet and how do we go about getting some cloning (from DNA extracted from bones that arean't even 100 years ol yet!) done on this parrot? I would love to see a cloned version introduced in our already fractured environment (at least this introduction wouldn't be TOTALLY feral- it might even help, who knows?). At least have a few clones in the zoos, this would be an EXCELLENT candidate to resurect an extinct animal. Please someone, pick up the ball and run with this (I'm too poor and only have a BA degree, otherwise, I'd try to do it!). Let us know if you start an initiative (and have a website) to get these birds flying again. THANKS!

Have there been any attempts to clone these with a closely related living parakeet? I have seen green pigeon sized parrots flying near to the Ohio River in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area. I have seen them in the same area for several years in a row but there seems to be only about 5 birds in this small flock. Maybe the Carolina parrot could be cloned with these parrots (probably was monk parakeets?). What a shameful and precious loss to our nation. I wonder what a large flock of Carolina Parrots must have sounded like and the explosion of color must had looked like when a big paddle-wheeled steam boat passed their riverbank nesting areas on the Ohio River; I hope someone admired them for their natural beauty.

There is an excellent account of the beauty and history of this bird in Christopher Cokinos's Hope is the Thing with Feathers. Cloning from specimens of birds, alas, is likely impossible--there's just very little intact DNA left in a dried specimen. (See the discussion for Talk:Passenger Pigeon.)

--Cotinis 09:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be cool to recreate this species. --[[User:Mitternacht90|Mitternacht90]] 00:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't you be able to get some type of Bone DNA from one of the birds? If they can find DNA in 100,000 year old bones surely they could in these.--Josh 04:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Source/Quote needed

the following text needs source/quote to verify.

"This combination of factors extirpated the species from most of its range until the early years of the 20th century. However, the last populations were not much hunted for food or feathers, nor did the farmers in rural Florida consider them a pest as the benefit of the birds' love of cockleburs clearly outweighed the minor damage they did to the small-scale garden plots. The final extinction of the species is somewhat of a mystery, but the most likely cause seems to be that the birds succumbed to poultry disease, as suggested by the rapid disappearance of the last, small, but apparently healthy and reproducing flocks of these highly social birds. If this is true, the very fact that the Carolina Parakeet was finally tolerated to roam in the vicinity of human settlements proved its undoing."

--Hkchan123 15:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

From:

Snyder, N. F. R., and K. Russell (2002): "Carolina Parakeet (Conuropsis carolinensis)". In: The Birds of North America, No. 667 (A. Poole and F. Gill, eds.). The Birds of North America, Inc., Philadelphia, PA. doi:10.2173/bna.667

"POPULATION REGULATION, CAUSES OF EXTINCTION

Removed copyrighted article. Dysmorodrepanis 16:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

That this article appears in Wikipedia under any pretext without a copyright release is a copyvio. We should cite the source, and may abstract it here for relevant purposes, but not copy it. I'm going to delete it forthwith; it's just not proper.Sbalfour (talk) 18:20, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

More info

I believe more information is required on this article and subjet. We have more information on dinosaurs that were extinct millions of years ago, while almost none on the Carolina Parakeets which only died out a hundred years ago. I believe with more scientific examinations of the skeletons and feathers, the scientists could achieve dramatic results concerning the Carolina Parakeet, and how it lived.

Discovered in Honduras?

Is this bird still extinct? http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg63q3w3_0cv7p4vgw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.87.27 (talk) 09:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

April fool joke, look at the date. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 09:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Carolina Parakeets discovered in Honduras! http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg63q3w3_0cv7p4vgw

Someone needs to edit the article. --Kiwinanday (talk) 11:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It was an April fools joke. The bird in the image is a Jenday Conure. Unfortunately. Lost on Belmont (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Only True North American Parrot Species??

Please define North America... According to what I know, Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada and USA. Mexico has several parrot and parakeet species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.34.202 (talk) 17:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

From an ornithological standpoint, North America consists of everything north of the Mexican-US border. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 02:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

From an onithological standpoint, the Thick Billed Parrot is also native to the US, even if the species' current range is Mexico-only. Freddiefreelance (talk) 22:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Green headed specimen

Anyone know why one of the specimens in Audobon's painting has a green head? FunkMonk (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Notice also its more bluish-gray color - it was almost certainly a juvenile.Sbalfour (talk) 22:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Content and Organization

I've revamped what was a starter article, in both content and organization. It can probably be raised to something other than Start class. Much of the original article was copyvio (cut and paste from online sources), so had to go anyway. Sbalfour (talk) 06:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

There's abundant anecdotal accounts of this bird from the 17th through the middle 19th centuries, enough to fill a book chapter length section 'Natural History', but adds little to the concise and scholarly exposition here. That kind of info might be of interest to those reading about the natural history of some geographical area (e.g. Florida), but I think it better placed in some other article.Sbalfour (talk) 21:20, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

R.I.P. Carolina Parekeet

Gone, but not forgotten [1] WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Sources for their being poisonous?

For 12 years this page has claimed that Carolina parakeets were likely poisonous. While it's easily verifiable that they ate (toxic) cockleburs, the sources given seem not at all sufficient for such speculation.

At time of writing the article states that Audubon (the birds' contemporary) observed that cats would die if they ate Carolina parakeets. I cannot find any primary source for this, only the book linked in the article, in which Tim Birkhead asserts this - despite Audubon's work being well documented and easily available online. This secondary source's claim is similarly poorly sourced. It seems to me that this error has been restated many times by less well-researched websites copying directly from the Wikipedia article, which is why I think it warrants urgent correcting. CaenCha (talk) 17:26, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

This could certainly stand some better sourcing. Annoyingly, the Audubon article is badly linked; if one knew what issue the article was in, one might find in the archives, but as it is this is well-hidden. Other sources seem scarce and not greatly reliable. I found the following, which is a fun bit of foklore but if anything should be cited as an argument against the notion [2]:

In his account of the Carolina parakeet, Catesby stated that "Their Guts is certain and speedy poison to cats." (Carolina, Vol. 1, 1731, p. 11.) Wilson, who extended the property, on the basis of popular opinion, to the brains and intestines of the bird, tried to test the matter experimentally and finally made one trial which proved negative. (Amer. Ornithology, Vol. III, 1811, p. 93.)

--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)