Talk:Carroll Baker/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, not GA at this time

Unfortunately, this article is not GA at this time. There is simply too much unsourced statements and POV assertions and non-neutral tone material in an article about a living person. Here are some recommendations, below, on how to improve the article. — Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	POV writing style, as mentioned below, not neutral tone. Copyvio Detector at GA Toolbox at top right of this page shows some problem issues, please trim or remove or paraphrase quotes in article and in citations to get this down below 30 percent.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Per issues described below re POV wording and non-neutral sect headers. Lede intro sect size is good.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Lots of unsourced content in article. Accolades sect - most of this is unsourced. She has six grandchildren: Hadassa and Lev Garfein; Zane, Dara and Wynn Van Dusen; and James Magill. - unsourced. Baby Doll: An Autobiography was well received. She later wrote two other books, To Africa with Love (1986), detailing her time spent in Africa, and a novel entitled A Roman Tale (1987). - unsourced. In 2011 and 2012, she was awarded Lifetime Achievement Awards from the Hoboken and Fort Lauderdale International Film Festivals, and attended screenings of Baby Doll and But Not For Me, respectively. - unsourced. and a 1985 BBC Radio 2 tribute marking the 30th anniversary of the actor's death. Her memories of James Dean at the Actors Studio and later in Giant were recalled on BBC Radio 2 in 1982 when she guested on You're Tearing Me Apart, Terence Pettigrew's documentary which commemorated the 25th anniversary of Dean's death in a car accident in 1955. Also on the program were singer-actor Adam Faith and the screenwriter Ray Connolly. - unsourced. In addition to her work in big-budget productions, Baker also appeared in small independent films, such as Just Your Luck (1996), and Nowhere to Go (1997). The nineties also saw Baker more frequently appearing on television series, notably in episodes of Grand (1990), Tales from the Crypt (1991), Murder, She Wrote and L.A. Law (both 1993); Chicago Hope (1995), and Roswell (1999). In 2000, she appeared in the Lifetime film Another Woman's Husband. - unsourced. Her film and television work continued throughout the nineties, and she acted in many made-for-television movies, including the true crime story Judgment Day: The John List Story (1993), Witness Run (1996), and Dalva (1996) with Farrah Fawcett. - unsourced. After an appearance in the British television film Red Monarch (1983), she played the mother of murdered Playboy model Dorothy Stratten (played by Mariel Hemingway) in the critically acclaimed biopic Star 80 (1983). She also appeared as the mother of Sigmund Freud in the comedy The Secret Diary of Sigmund Freud (1984) with Carol Kane and Klaus Kinski. - unsourced. who asked her to play the lead role in Her Harem (1967). This was followed with the horror films The Sweet Body of Deborah (1968), and The Devil Has Seven Faces (1971). Baker also starred in So Sweet... So Perverse (1969), Paranoia (1969), A Quiet Place to Kill (1970), and Il coltello di ghiaccio (Knife of Ice) (1972), all horror films directed by Italian filmmaker Umberto Lenzi. - unsourced. The film was the top moneymaker of that year, with domestic box-office receipts of $13,000,000[39] and marked the beginning of a tumultuous relationship with the film's producer, Joseph E. Levine. - unsourced. She subsequently appeared with Maasai warriors on the cover of Life's July 1964 issue. - unsourced. the film was well received by critics and was America's entry at the Venice International Film Festival. - unsourced.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Unclear citation styles mixed up throughout. Please pick one. Please use WP:CIT templates. Dates should not be 2015-10-28 but spelled out for all as October 28, 2015. No need for quotations in cites, please remove them. Several problems with hyperlinks. Please see Checklinks Tool at GA Toolbox at top right of this page. Anything with a value other than "0" or "200" needs to be archived via Wayback Machine by Internet Archive with archiveurl and archivedate fields by WP:CIT templates.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Article appears to rely mainly on secondary sources.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Does indeed address main aspects of topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good overall structural focus and layout, aside from some POV sect title choices.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Article has a bit of a POV feel to it. Not huge issue here, but definitely getting some POV signs smattered throughout. Strongly recommend having a couple third-party editors previously uninvolved with the subject copy-edit the article. Recommend requesting copy-edit through WP:GOCE. And also posting neutrally worded notices to all talk pages of all relevant WikiProjects requesting same. Examples in sect header title choices alone: "breakout", "Box-office successes", these seem a bit promotional. The word "acclaim" is used seven (7) times total in the article. These are red-flags for POV promotion a bit here.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Upon my inspection of both article edit history and article talk page history, article is stable going back over one month.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	File:Baby Doll -1.jpg - Please remove this fair-use image. You've got probably too many free-use images overloading the article as it is. No need to claim fair use here.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	See above about please removing the fair use image. And consider trimming out a few free use images, which are a bit much.
	7. Overall assessment.	Unfortunately, not GA at this time. — Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

GA Reviewer recommendations going forward

I sincerely hope that the recommendations from the GA Review, above, will be helpful to editors in the future to further work on the Quality improvement process.

Here are my suggestions before trying for GA again:

1. Address all recommendations, above, from GA Review.
2. Request copy-edit at WP:GOCE
3. Try to get Category:User en-N, Category:User en-5, or Category:User en-4 to copy-edit the article for writing quality and grammar.
4. Go for a Peer Review. And specifically ask for help with the writing quality -- regarding POV and promotional wording concerns.
5. While at Peer Review -- Post neutrally-worded-notices to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects with a link to the Peer Review.
6. While at Peer Review, try consulting for help from Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers from your relevant topic.

I hope that's helpful, and good luck,

— Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I am slightly confused about the POV, especially when articles like Angelina Jolie and Reese Witherspoon use similar language ("breakthrough," "success") in headers and are still featured articles; there are numerous other featured articles where accolades such as Golden Globe and Oscar nominations are not cited at every mention. I also find it absurd that a citation for Baker's appearance in a film is required at any mention of it in the body of the article—again, looking at numerous featured articles, this does not appear to be a standard requirement (Miranda Otto, Julianne Moore). This seems like overkill and that you are grasping at straws. I also was completely unaware about the date format change in citations— years ago when I started on Wikipedia I was explicitly told not to use full dates, and was instructed to use the "yyyy-mm-dd" format.

To be honest, I'm finding that the nomination and review system is frustratingly arbitrary as all of the problems in the article that were listed by the previous reviewer were addressed, and now there is an entirely new list of problems that I didn't even realize were present. Theoretically, this cycle could continue perpetually if a different reviewer took up an article each time it is nominated. I also find your suggestion of getting a native English speaker to copy-edit the article for grammar odd for two reasons: one, I am a native English speaker (with a postgrad background in English, no less); and two, there are no serious (if any) grammar issues present. —Drown Soda (talk) 04:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)